> I found that the more I worked with [the chromosomes] the bigger and bigger [they] got, and when I was really working with them I wasn’t outside, I was down t

> I found that the more I worked with [the chromosomes] the bigger and bigger [they] got, and when I was really working with them I wasn’t outside, I was down there. I was part of the system. I was right down there with them, and everything got big. I even was able to see the internal parts of the chromosomes—actually everything was there. It surprised me because I actually felt as if I were right down there and these were my friends. Sounds remarkably similar to controversial Canadian pyschologist Jordan Peterson talking to Richard Dawkins about how a mushroom trip allowed him to experience DNA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbGoUwmqIEQ&t=2473s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbGoUwmqIEQ&t=2473s