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You can't say something bigoted and then try to add a disclaimer and somehow make it magically not big bigoted. Leave pediatric medicine up to the pediatric doc

You can't say something bigoted and then try to add a disclaimer and somehow make it magically not big bigoted. Leave pediatric medicine up to the pediatric doctors. I have a niece who is transitioning and it's attitudes like this that endanger her wellbeing.

nailer 4y ago
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- flangola7 4y ago
  Forbidden? Under what law? Not to mention, a few cherry picked oddball psychologists does not a consensus make. There are civil engineers that will say 9/11 was a thermite inside job and physicians that say crystals have healing powers. That doesn't mean they are right or even represent the scientific community's broad consensus. I also suspect most of the people spreading transphobic messages have never had a close openly trans friend, partner, or family member.
  - violat 4y ago
    > I also suspect most of the people spreading transphobic messages have never had a close openly trans friend, partner, or family member. Many gender-critical women are those who have experienced the trans phenomenon via a man in their life deciding that he is now a woman, and observing first hand the misogyny in his expression of what he thinks makes him a woman. The accounts of transwidows (women whose husbands transitioned) are particularly depressing and painful to read, as their marriage breaks down while he transforms himself into an offensive caricature of womanhood.
    - Spivak 4y ago
      I really feel for those women, having a partner transition is hard on any relationship. The person you fall in love with is your own perception of who the other person is and all that gets shattered in an instant because of a burden they’ve carrying for their whole lives finally becomes too heavy to bear and it changes their relationship forever. Some people are able to make it through that, others aren’t, and it’s okay either way. But when the relationship ends right after they start transitioning they don’t see their partner work through all their feelings, traumas, and see the other side. You’re right, that lots of trans women lean into the stereotypes of womanhood right after they come out. And that’s because they’re going through all the awkward cringy phases that teenagers go through. Turns out those phases are more to do with the process of self-discovery than it does age. Because lord knows when I was 15 I wore skirts too short, way too much makeup, and was past the girly phase and already on the “reject pink” phase. They’re learning how to be women just like we all did. It is a source of endless fun teasing one of the women I volunteer with who’s currently going through an emo phase. So maybe it’s cringy but I choose to see the good in that someone is able to be so sincere and authentic and I would feel bad ruining her innocent fun. And just like all other women they figure themselves out and mellow.
  - nailer 4y ago
    Forbidden because gender theorists aggressively attack anyone that suggests autogynophiles exist as a way to push the ‘self id’ laws that allow arbitrary men to enter women’s spaces. Nobody is posting transphobic messages. We don’t want people to irreparably harm their bodies because we care about them, unlike others.
- Spivak 4y ago
  This one touches a nerve because of how frustrating it is that the internet learned a new big word and it spread like wildfire among people who have an axe to grind against trans folks. Sorry for the 50 minute video but there’s basically nothing I can write that will explain and deconstruct this better than an actual trans woman. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6czRFLs5JQo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6czRFLs5JQo
  - violat 4y ago
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    - deanCommie 4y ago
      So do many cis women. Watch the video. The question isn't "Does autogynephilia exist". Yes. The question is "Is autogynephilia a fetish that people are confusing for transgenderism?" No.
      - violat 4y ago
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        deanCommie 4y ago
        I don't really think you can brand it propaganda. The source is credible and well sourced - you can Google Natalie Wynn/Contrapoints. It's also a complex topic that has many facets. However the summary would be that male and female arousal in western society is quite different. Male sexuality is based on perceiving outward - seeing visual stimulus of someone being attractive, and getting turned on. Female sexuality is based on perceiving inward - making oneself attractive, and being turned on by the reaction that it receives from the partner. As a result, cis hereto women report feelings that in trans women get called autogynophelia when planning or expecting to meet with a sexual partner, or during sexual encounters. There is a lot more to it than that.
        4y ago

nailer 4y ago

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flangola7 4y ago
Forbidden? Under what law? Not to mention, a few cherry picked oddball psychologists does not a consensus make. There are civil engineers that will say 9/11 was a thermite inside job and physicians that say crystals have healing powers. That doesn't mean they are right or even represent the scientific community's broad consensus. I also suspect most of the people spreading transphobic messages have never had a close openly trans friend, partner, or family member.
- violat 4y ago
  > I also suspect most of the people spreading transphobic messages have never had a close openly trans friend, partner, or family member. Many gender-critical women are those who have experienced the trans phenomenon via a man in their life deciding that he is now a woman, and observing first hand the misogyny in his expression of what he thinks makes him a woman. The accounts of transwidows (women whose husbands transitioned) are particularly depressing and painful to read, as their marriage breaks down while he transforms himself into an offensive caricature of womanhood.
  - Spivak 4y ago
    I really feel for those women, having a partner transition is hard on any relationship. The person you fall in love with is your own perception of who the other person is and all that gets shattered in an instant because of a burden they’ve carrying for their whole lives finally becomes too heavy to bear and it changes their relationship forever. Some people are able to make it through that, others aren’t, and it’s okay either way. But when the relationship ends right after they start transitioning they don’t see their partner work through all their feelings, traumas, and see the other side. You’re right, that lots of trans women lean into the stereotypes of womanhood right after they come out. And that’s because they’re going through all the awkward cringy phases that teenagers go through. Turns out those phases are more to do with the process of self-discovery than it does age. Because lord knows when I was 15 I wore skirts too short, way too much makeup, and was past the girly phase and already on the “reject pink” phase. They’re learning how to be women just like we all did. It is a source of endless fun teasing one of the women I volunteer with who’s currently going through an emo phase. So maybe it’s cringy but I choose to see the good in that someone is able to be so sincere and authentic and I would feel bad ruining her innocent fun. And just like all other women they figure themselves out and mellow.
- nailer 4y ago
  Forbidden because gender theorists aggressively attack anyone that suggests autogynophiles exist as a way to push the ‘self id’ laws that allow arbitrary men to enter women’s spaces. Nobody is posting transphobic messages. We don’t want people to irreparably harm their bodies because we care about them, unlike others.
Spivak 4y ago
This one touches a nerve because of how frustrating it is that the internet learned a new big word and it spread like wildfire among people who have an axe to grind against trans folks. Sorry for the 50 minute video but there’s basically nothing I can write that will explain and deconstruct this better than an actual trans woman. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6czRFLs5JQo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6czRFLs5JQo
- violat 4y ago
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  - deanCommie 4y ago
    So do many cis women. Watch the video. The question isn't "Does autogynephilia exist". Yes. The question is "Is autogynephilia a fetish that people are confusing for transgenderism?" No.
    - violat 4y ago
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      - deanCommie 4y ago
        I don't really think you can brand it propaganda. The source is credible and well sourced - you can Google Natalie Wynn/Contrapoints. It's also a complex topic that has many facets. However the summary would be that male and female arousal in western society is quite different. Male sexuality is based on perceiving outward - seeing visual stimulus of someone being attractive, and getting turned on. Female sexuality is based on perceiving inward - making oneself attractive, and being turned on by the reaction that it receives from the partner. As a result, cis hereto women report feelings that in trans women get called autogynophelia when planning or expecting to meet with a sexual partner, or during sexual encounters. There is a lot more to it than that.
        4y ago