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Delhi state is a union territory. The central government normally controls them and Delhi is not much different just because they have a legislative assembly (i

by sound1 4y ago

Delhi state is a union territory. The central government normally controls them and Delhi is not much different just because they have a legislative assembly (in this case AAP government). Cetral government can (in this case did) scrutinize what their ministers in the union territories were actually doing. Let the minister come out clean in the court.

throwaway384629 4y ago
Process is the punishment in India. They can arrest you based on allegations, keep you in jail for months without even filing a charge sheet and no one is liable when a court finally acquits you after months or years of jail time. In any functioning democracy, government should not be able to arrest members of their opposition parties or journalists just based on allegations. If an alleged scam of 100 Crore rupees is really a reason of arrest then why Adani is not arrested yet with an alleged scam and money laundering of thousands of crore rupees? 140 Cases Filed Against different AAP MLAs and Members, 72 Disposed of, Just 1 Conviction So Far [1] Another example where they arrested a journalist. The journalist stayed in jail for 28 months before a court granted him bail. [2] [1] https://www.news18.com/news/india/140-cases-filed-against-aap-mlas-and-members-but-conviction-in-just-one-so-far-2057583.html https://www.news18.com/news/india/140-cases-filed-against-aa... [2] https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/846-days-timeline-of-siddique-kappans-case-as-he-walks-out-of-jail-2329454-2023-02-02 https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/846-days-timeline-of-s...
- sound1 4y ago
  > Process is the punishment in India. They can arrest you based on allegations, keep you in jail for months without even filing a charge sheet and no one is liable when a court finally acquits you after months or years of jail time. Not different than many different than many other democracies, lots of suspects held in custody without conviction: https://www.americasquarterly.org/fulltextarticle/prisons-in-jail-but-not-sentenced/ https://www.americasquarterly.org/fulltextarticle/prisons-in... > In any functioning democracy, government should not be able to arrest members of their opposition parties or journalists just based on allegations. What is your yardstick for a functioning democracy? > If an alleged scam of 100 Crore rupees is really a reason of arrest then why Adani is not arrested yet with an alleged scam and money laundering of thousands of crore rupees? Who says there was such a scam? The Hindenburg group did say, but they are a short seller who allegedly benefited from falling prices of Adani's stocks. And their word is not a valid authority in Indian law to book a case against anyone.
  - throwaway384629 4y ago
    >> Not different than many different than many other democracies, lots of suspects held in custody without conviction: https://www.americasquarterly.org/fulltextarticle/prisons-in https://www.americasquarterly.org/fulltextarticle/prisons-in... Two wrongs don't make a right. >> What is your yardstick for a functioning democracy? In any functioning democracy, government should not be able to arrest members of their opposition parties or journalists just based on allegations. >> Who says there was such a scam? The Hindenburg group did say, but they are a short seller who allegedly benefited from falling prices of Adani's stocks. And their word is not a valid authority in Indian law to book a case against anyone. Exactly! Who says Manish Sisodia did a scam? The BJP government did say, but they are a ruling party who will benefit from keeping their opponents in jail/courts.
    - sound1 4y ago
      >Two wrongs don't make a right. Absolutely. I am saying you are picking and choosing as per your convenience. People get arrested all the time, just because it was a minister it made headlines. I only wish people rotting in jail (in all countires) with no charges against them had a voice, just like AAP government > In any functioning democracy, government should not be able to arrest members of their opposition parties or journalists just based on allegations. I wanted to know from you what country is a good example of a functioning democracy. Not what is your idea of a functioning democracy. > Exactly! Who says Manish Sisodia did a scam? The BJP government did say, but they are a ruling party who will benefit from keeping their opponents in jail/courts. CBI did. They are a law enforcing authority in India and they decided that arrest is the correct course of action in this case.
      - throwaway384629 4y ago
        >> Absolutely. I am saying you are picking and choosing as per your convenience. People get arrested all the time, just because it was a minister it made headlines. I only wish people rotting in jail (in all countires) with no charges against them had a voice, just like AAP government Thats why I am here trying to be the voice for someone that got arrested. >> I wanted to know from you what country is a good example of a functioning democracy. Not what is your idea of a functioning democracy. Honestly, I don't know which country is perfect. But I think United states is bit better as we discussed in other comments. >> CBI did. They are a law enforcing authority in India and they decided that arrest is the correct course of action in this case. CBI is directly controlled by BJP Centre Government. Anyone who thinks CBI is independent must be living under a rock. Here is an old statement from Modi about it when he was not a PM: [1] [1] https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/349075193714577408 https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/349075193714577408

by sound1 4y ago

throwaway384629 4y ago

Process is the punishment in India. They can arrest you based on allegations, keep you in jail for months without even filing a charge sheet and no one is liable when a court finally acquits you after months or years of jail time. In any functioning democracy, government should not be able to arrest members of their opposition parties or journalists just based on allegations. If an alleged scam of 100 Crore rupees is really a reason of arrest then why Adani is not arrested yet with an alleged scam and money laundering of thousands of crore rupees? 140 Cases Filed Against different AAP MLAs and Members, 72 Disposed of, Just 1 Conviction So Far [1] Another example where they arrested a journalist. The journalist stayed in jail for 28 months before a court granted him bail. [2] [1] https://www.news18.com/news/india/140-cases-filed-against-aap-mlas-and-members-but-conviction-in-just-one-so-far-2057583.html https://www.news18.com/news/india/140-cases-filed-against-aa... [2] https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/846-days-timeline-of-siddique-kappans-case-as-he-walks-out-of-jail-2329454-2023-02-02 https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/846-days-timeline-of-s...

sound1 4y ago
> Process is the punishment in India. They can arrest you based on allegations, keep you in jail for months without even filing a charge sheet and no one is liable when a court finally acquits you after months or years of jail time. Not different than many different than many other democracies, lots of suspects held in custody without conviction: https://www.americasquarterly.org/fulltextarticle/prisons-in-jail-but-not-sentenced/ https://www.americasquarterly.org/fulltextarticle/prisons-in... > In any functioning democracy, government should not be able to arrest members of their opposition parties or journalists just based on allegations. What is your yardstick for a functioning democracy? > If an alleged scam of 100 Crore rupees is really a reason of arrest then why Adani is not arrested yet with an alleged scam and money laundering of thousands of crore rupees? Who says there was such a scam? The Hindenburg group did say, but they are a short seller who allegedly benefited from falling prices of Adani's stocks. And their word is not a valid authority in Indian law to book a case against anyone.
- throwaway384629 4y ago
  >> Not different than many different than many other democracies, lots of suspects held in custody without conviction: https://www.americasquarterly.org/fulltextarticle/prisons-in https://www.americasquarterly.org/fulltextarticle/prisons-in... Two wrongs don't make a right. >> What is your yardstick for a functioning democracy? In any functioning democracy, government should not be able to arrest members of their opposition parties or journalists just based on allegations. >> Who says there was such a scam? The Hindenburg group did say, but they are a short seller who allegedly benefited from falling prices of Adani's stocks. And their word is not a valid authority in Indian law to book a case against anyone. Exactly! Who says Manish Sisodia did a scam? The BJP government did say, but they are a ruling party who will benefit from keeping their opponents in jail/courts.
  - sound1 4y ago
    >Two wrongs don't make a right. Absolutely. I am saying you are picking and choosing as per your convenience. People get arrested all the time, just because it was a minister it made headlines. I only wish people rotting in jail (in all countires) with no charges against them had a voice, just like AAP government > In any functioning democracy, government should not be able to arrest members of their opposition parties or journalists just based on allegations. I wanted to know from you what country is a good example of a functioning democracy. Not what is your idea of a functioning democracy. > Exactly! Who says Manish Sisodia did a scam? The BJP government did say, but they are a ruling party who will benefit from keeping their opponents in jail/courts. CBI did. They are a law enforcing authority in India and they decided that arrest is the correct course of action in this case.
    - throwaway384629 4y ago
      >> Absolutely. I am saying you are picking and choosing as per your convenience. People get arrested all the time, just because it was a minister it made headlines. I only wish people rotting in jail (in all countires) with no charges against them had a voice, just like AAP government Thats why I am here trying to be the voice for someone that got arrested. >> I wanted to know from you what country is a good example of a functioning democracy. Not what is your idea of a functioning democracy. Honestly, I don't know which country is perfect. But I think United states is bit better as we discussed in other comments. >> CBI did. They are a law enforcing authority in India and they decided that arrest is the correct course of action in this case. CBI is directly controlled by BJP Centre Government. Anyone who thinks CBI is independent must be living under a rock. Here is an old statement from Modi about it when he was not a PM: [1] [1] https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/349075193714577408 https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/349075193714577408