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> “The joint inquiry will concentrate on TikTok’s privacy policies in relation to younger users, including whether the business acquired legitimate and meaningf

> “The joint inquiry will concentrate on TikTok’s privacy policies in relation to younger users, including whether the business acquired legitimate and meaningful consent from these users for the gathering, use, and disclosure of their personal information.” How many people, let alone kids, read the privacy policy before clicking "I Agree"? This is nothing more than political grandstanding IMO and I hate it. I also think it's a prelude to some kind of verified identity system and that's why the big tech companies are pushing their passwordless schemes. My biggest concern is that eventually everything will require a verified identity from one of the big tech companies and Microsoft/Google/Apple/Facebook will become the gatekeepers of everything. I wouldn't be surprised if we hit 2030 and it's considered normal to get your kid a digital ID when they're born. Instead of pushing things towards centralized ID schemes to "protect the children," we need an outright ban on tracking, profiling, etc.. We're going to end up in a world where big tech tracks every move you make and feeds that data into crappy, over-promised "AI" systems so they can sell that data to all of the institutions that we rely on. How great is it going to be if your kid gets profiled by AI and flagged as having a predisposition to criminal activity?

Proven 4y ago
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mantas 4y ago
Next problem, how do we make sure tracking and profiling isn't happening under the table? Or more likely in an (most of the time) unplugged server in the back of the server room.
xattt 4y ago
> … Google/Apple/Facebook will become the gatekeepers of everything. If that comes to pass, it will likely come with legislated service and privacy guarantees.
- anaganisk 4y ago
  Yes may be in EU and California, but a far fetched dream in countries like UK, US, India etc. Funny enough, India already has an ID system that requires every citizen to be enrolled in even children who also have biometrics integration. And I can guarantee you, majority dont give a damm about privacy and call anyone anti-national who point out flaws. Will just leave this here. https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/attorney-general-gets-roasted-for-saying-aadhaar-data-secure-behind-13-feet-high-walls-1696755.html https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/attorney-general-gets-roast...
  - pschuegr 4y ago
    I like how you (correctly imo) separate California from the US.
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oldskewlcool 4y ago
Agreed this is a prelude to some kind of India-like verified identity scheme. The Arkansas porn site ID law is now looking like it will become the law of the land with 7 states[1] considering / about to pass very similar laws. Once these laws are in place they are likely to swiftly be applied to many other domains with social media, and tiktok (due to young users, CCP control) as well as reddit (with their NSFW communities), easy targets as the next platforms mandated to enforce ID verification once the porn industry complies. Once these 7 states pass these laws it seems politically very difficult to fight against these types of bills in every other state. Being for 'ID-less porn for kids" is likely not a tenable position no matter the political party. Once this happens (or maybe already happening) Google / FB / MSFT will encourage this as regulatory compliance overhead furthers monopolies / stifles competition due to the burden if places on cash constrained upstarts with low userbases vs cash rich monopolists with vast userbases. The end game for the United States is ID to use just about anything or at least the majority of apps that people spend their time on (social, video, search, games). [1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/02/seven-states-push-to-require-id-for-watching-porn-online/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/02/seven-states-pus...
- unmole 4y ago
  > India-like verified identity scheme What are you even on about?
kwere 4y ago
its inevitable, at least for massive (1M+) social networks companies. Also a development which could break some dark patterns (that make this industry financially sustainable) would be having user-data on third parties which have a government/public system which control how the data is used by corporations, after disclosing enough of their algos/systems to measure their social impacts. Thats crazy on its own and show the inadequacy of legislators, imagine having a drug company that makes an addictive drug and dont have to disclose/(comply to) anything about it
josephd79 4y ago
nailed it.

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mantas 4y ago

Next problem, how do we make sure tracking and profiling isn't happening under the table? Or more likely in an (most of the time) unplugged server in the back of the server room.

xattt 4y ago

> … Google/Apple/Facebook will become the gatekeepers of everything. If that comes to pass, it will likely come with legislated service and privacy guarantees.

anaganisk 4y ago
Yes may be in EU and California, but a far fetched dream in countries like UK, US, India etc. Funny enough, India already has an ID system that requires every citizen to be enrolled in even children who also have biometrics integration. And I can guarantee you, majority dont give a damm about privacy and call anyone anti-national who point out flaws. Will just leave this here. https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/attorney-general-gets-roasted-for-saying-aadhaar-data-secure-behind-13-feet-high-walls-1696755.html https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/attorney-general-gets-roast...
- pschuegr 4y ago
  I like how you (correctly imo) separate California from the US.

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oldskewlcool 4y ago

Agreed this is a prelude to some kind of India-like verified identity scheme. The Arkansas porn site ID law is now looking like it will become the law of the land with 7 states[1] considering / about to pass very similar laws. Once these laws are in place they are likely to swiftly be applied to many other domains with social media, and tiktok (due to young users, CCP control) as well as reddit (with their NSFW communities), easy targets as the next platforms mandated to enforce ID verification once the porn industry complies. Once these 7 states pass these laws it seems politically very difficult to fight against these types of bills in every other state. Being for 'ID-less porn for kids" is likely not a tenable position no matter the political party. Once this happens (or maybe already happening) Google / FB / MSFT will encourage this as regulatory compliance overhead furthers monopolies / stifles competition due to the burden if places on cash constrained upstarts with low userbases vs cash rich monopolists with vast userbases. The end game for the United States is ID to use just about anything or at least the majority of apps that people spend their time on (social, video, search, games). [1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/02/seven-states-push-to-require-id-for-watching-porn-online/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/02/seven-states-pus...

unmole 4y ago
> India-like verified identity scheme What are you even on about?

kwere 4y ago

its inevitable, at least for massive (1M+) social networks companies. Also a development which could break some dark patterns (that make this industry financially sustainable) would be having user-data on third parties which have a government/public system which control how the data is used by corporations, after disclosing enough of their algos/systems to measure their social impacts. Thats crazy on its own and show the inadequacy of legislators, imagine having a drug company that makes an addictive drug and dont have to disclose/(comply to) anything about it

josephd79 4y ago

nailed it.