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India is completely balkanizing right now and the rest of the world is ignoring it. The central government is becoming increasingly authoritarian and arresting

by 0xDEF 4y ago

India is completely balkanizing right now and the rest of the world is ignoring it. The central government is becoming increasingly authoritarian and arresting opposition politicians. In Punjab the Sikh separatists are beginning to make moves. In South India there is also increasing separatist sentiments with many feeling the central government is forcing them to learn Hindi. The same is happening in West Bengal.

ta_vf7xjd34cc 4y ago
> India is completely balkanizing right now The 1980s and 1990s saw the assassinations of the sitting Prime Minister of India, the sitting Chief Minister of Punjab, the just-retired Army Chief and the former Prime Minister with simultaneous deadly insurgencies in multiple states with a death toll exceeding 100,000. If the country didn't split up then, there is virtually no chance of that happening today. > The central government is becoming increasingly authoritarian and arresting opposition politicians. Nothing out of the ordinary for central and state governments in India. The current Home Minister was arrested, and the current Prime Minister was subjected to a grueling investigation, by the previous government. State governments routinely arrest local opposition politicians and journalists for various reasons. > In South India there is also increasing separatist sentiments with many feeling the central government is forcing them to learn Hindi. The nativist movement in Tamil Nadu has nothing to do with Hindi. And it is no where as strong as it was 50 years back.
frontman1988 4y ago
Even in Ladakh protests are happening which are getting completely ignored by mainstream media. India with it's crazy diversity might be better off having a structure similar to the EU rather than one country with a strong central power. Modern day India is quite an unnatural union. Like if all of Africa was one country it would have been such a mess. India is like that just more crowded in less land.
- MPlus88 4y ago
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- sound1 4y ago
  What Ladakh protests??
  - 0xDEF 4y ago
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    - sound1 4y ago
      They are demanding full statehood instead of union territory (not a nation): https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/ladakh-leaders-stage-protest-in-support-of-statehood-other-demands-in-jammu-1181376.html https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/lada...
sound1 4y ago
How do you explain the fact that the current central government got more parliamentary seats and vote share than the previous election? I think we have quite a healthy democracy. There are always voices that pick only the rough edges but democracy is a tool for continuous improvement, whether the current government supports it or not (data says it does, at least for now).
- throwaway384629 4y ago
  "The Nazi Party’s meteoric rise to power began in 1930, when it attained 107 seats in Germany’s parliament, the Reichstag. In July 1932, the Nazi Party became the largest political party in the Reichstag with 230 representatives" Sounds very similar, but above is from Holocaust encyclopedia. [1] [1] https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-nazi-rise-to-power https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-nazi-r...
  - sound1 4y ago
    What are you trying to say? Any democracy which voted a majority government into power consecutively is destined to be like Nazi party?
    - throwaway384629 4y ago
      Yes, history has shown that it can go that way. We all have to stay alert and raise an alarm when a democratically elected government starts trying to manipulate four pillars of Democracy: Legislature, Executive, Judiciary and Press.
      - sound1 4y ago
        Do you disagree if I say that the United States is one of the best functioning democracies (may not be perfect )? They have elected the same president consecutively. There may be many others as well, and nobody became Nazi.
        4y ago
thunkshift1 4y ago
Tbh thats business as usual
sound1 4y ago
> India is completely balkanizing right now and the rest of the world is ignoring it. Ok > The central government is becoming increasingly authoritarian and arresting opposition politicians. Hmm > In Punjab the Sikh separatists are beginning to make moves. AAP government is releasing Amritpal (separatist guy) without any charges, whose supporters attacked Punjab police [1] in yesterday's news. I am not saying AAP was trying to bargain with centre but there is a hint of connection. > In South India there is also increasing separatist sentiments with many feeling the central government is forcing them to learn Hindi. The same is happening in West Bengal. I am in the south and nothing much is happening about 'separatism' here. parties are/were/will be anti hindi but it is business as usual. It definitely isn't a BJP stronghold (except, may be, Karnataka) and that is the card regional parties use to get attention. [1] https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2023/feb/25/punjab-cops-buy-peace-with-radical-sikh-preacher-free-aide-from-prison-2550841.html https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2023/feb/25/punjab-c...
unmole 4y ago
> balkanizing I don't think it means what you think it means. > Sikh separatists Khalistanis live in Canada, not Punjab. > In South India there is also increasing separatist sentiments I've lived in South India all my life and have never seen anyone express such sentiments.
kerpotgh 4y ago
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by 0xDEF 4y ago

ta_vf7xjd34cc 4y ago

> India is completely balkanizing right now The 1980s and 1990s saw the assassinations of the sitting Prime Minister of India, the sitting Chief Minister of Punjab, the just-retired Army Chief and the former Prime Minister with simultaneous deadly insurgencies in multiple states with a death toll exceeding 100,000. If the country didn't split up then, there is virtually no chance of that happening today. > The central government is becoming increasingly authoritarian and arresting opposition politicians. Nothing out of the ordinary for central and state governments in India. The current Home Minister was arrested, and the current Prime Minister was subjected to a grueling investigation, by the previous government. State governments routinely arrest local opposition politicians and journalists for various reasons. > In South India there is also increasing separatist sentiments with many feeling the central government is forcing them to learn Hindi. The nativist movement in Tamil Nadu has nothing to do with Hindi. And it is no where as strong as it was 50 years back.

frontman1988 4y ago

Even in Ladakh protests are happening which are getting completely ignored by mainstream media. India with it's crazy diversity might be better off having a structure similar to the EU rather than one country with a strong central power. Modern day India is quite an unnatural union. Like if all of Africa was one country it would have been such a mess. India is like that just more crowded in less land.

MPlus88 4y ago
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sound1 4y ago
What Ladakh protests??
- 0xDEF 4y ago
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  - sound1 4y ago
    They are demanding full statehood instead of union territory (not a nation): https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/ladakh-leaders-stage-protest-in-support-of-statehood-other-demands-in-jammu-1181376.html https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/lada...

sound1 4y ago

How do you explain the fact that the current central government got more parliamentary seats and vote share than the previous election? I think we have quite a healthy democracy. There are always voices that pick only the rough edges but democracy is a tool for continuous improvement, whether the current government supports it or not (data says it does, at least for now).

throwaway384629 4y ago
"The Nazi Party’s meteoric rise to power began in 1930, when it attained 107 seats in Germany’s parliament, the Reichstag. In July 1932, the Nazi Party became the largest political party in the Reichstag with 230 representatives" Sounds very similar, but above is from Holocaust encyclopedia. [1] [1] https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-nazi-rise-to-power https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-nazi-r...
- sound1 4y ago
  What are you trying to say? Any democracy which voted a majority government into power consecutively is destined to be like Nazi party?
  - throwaway384629 4y ago
    Yes, history has shown that it can go that way. We all have to stay alert and raise an alarm when a democratically elected government starts trying to manipulate four pillars of Democracy: Legislature, Executive, Judiciary and Press.
    - sound1 4y ago
      Do you disagree if I say that the United States is one of the best functioning democracies (may not be perfect )? They have elected the same president consecutively. There may be many others as well, and nobody became Nazi.
      - 4y ago

thunkshift1 4y ago

Tbh thats business as usual

sound1 4y ago

> India is completely balkanizing right now and the rest of the world is ignoring it. Ok > The central government is becoming increasingly authoritarian and arresting opposition politicians. Hmm > In Punjab the Sikh separatists are beginning to make moves. AAP government is releasing Amritpal (separatist guy) without any charges, whose supporters attacked Punjab police [1] in yesterday's news. I am not saying AAP was trying to bargain with centre but there is a hint of connection. > In South India there is also increasing separatist sentiments with many feeling the central government is forcing them to learn Hindi. The same is happening in West Bengal. I am in the south and nothing much is happening about 'separatism' here. parties are/were/will be anti hindi but it is business as usual. It definitely isn't a BJP stronghold (except, may be, Karnataka) and that is the card regional parties use to get attention. [1] https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2023/feb/25/punjab-cops-buy-peace-with-radical-sikh-preacher-free-aide-from-prison-2550841.html https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2023/feb/25/punjab-c...

unmole 4y ago

> balkanizing I don't think it means what you think it means. > Sikh separatists Khalistanis live in Canada, not Punjab. > In South India there is also increasing separatist sentiments I've lived in South India all my life and have never seen anyone express such sentiments.

kerpotgh 4y ago

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