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The fact it's free is really cool but the choice to limit this to Raspberry Pi is rather weird because Raspberry Pis are painfully slow (can't even navigate You

The fact it's free is really cool but the choice to limit this to Raspberry Pi is rather weird because Raspberry Pis are painfully slow (can't even navigate YouTube comfortably) and even fairly hard to acquire in the first place. They should rather make it free for all individual non-commercial tinkerer no matter the hardware they use. I believe this would ensure popularity sustainability and the raspberry-only way may turn out not enough. I would consider this a great way to promote genuine Raspberry Pi over the clones but as long as Raspberry Pi demand exceeds the offer anyway this doesn't make much sense.

ok123456 4y ago
So they don't cannibalize their institutional sales at universities.
- qwerty456127 4y ago
  Sure, that's why I say not just non-commercial but also individual.
  - ok123456 4y ago
    People at the university would just 'individual' download it for non-commercial use.
brudgers 4y ago
People did useful work with Mathematica on the computers of 35 years ago. They had a tiny fraction of an RPi's compute. Maybe because interesting mathematics is more the product of interested mathematicians rather than hardware. With Mathematica around for 35 years, there's evidence that it has a sustainable model with regard to popularity.
- qwerty456127 4y ago
  I knew real science stars who ran Mathematica on 486 with huge success. But that's a different story. This project targets hobbyists and kids educating themselves and this normally involves watching YouTube tutorials/lectures and googling information up. For some people this can be good and teach them patience, for many this will be an obstacle and divert them to alternatives. Mathematica is great but has keep the competition in mind. I am afraid it will decline heavily sooner or later.
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mamediz 4y ago
Without a Raspberry Pi, at least you can use the wolfram engine for free [0] and integrate with your applications, although without all the benefits of the wolfram notebooks environment. [0] https://www.wolfram.com/engine/ https://www.wolfram.com/engine/
- cosmotic 4y ago
  As long as your application is not commercial.
  - mamediz 4y ago
    Indeed, but I believe that if one develop a commercial application that uses Wolfram language then they would think it is worth to pay for it.
II2II 4y ago
... it was painfully slow on the original Raspberry Pi, but it is usable on the Pi 4. You probably wouldn't want to use it for serious work or even serious course work (e.g. post secondary), but it does demo the product and is fine for high school level math. The biggest hurdle is the startup time and, depending upon how patient you are, visualization.
justin66 4y ago
You should be able to view a YouTube video on a Pi 4 with enough RAM, while running Mathematica in another window. With the newer hardware the performance problems should only come if you try to use 4k video or something.

ok123456 4y ago

So they don't cannibalize their institutional sales at universities.

qwerty456127 4y ago
Sure, that's why I say not just non-commercial but also individual.
- ok123456 4y ago
  People at the university would just 'individual' download it for non-commercial use.

brudgers 4y ago

People did useful work with Mathematica on the computers of 35 years ago. They had a tiny fraction of an RPi's compute. Maybe because interesting mathematics is more the product of interested mathematicians rather than hardware. With Mathematica around for 35 years, there's evidence that it has a sustainable model with regard to popularity.

qwerty456127 4y ago
I knew real science stars who ran Mathematica on 486 with huge success. But that's a different story. This project targets hobbyists and kids educating themselves and this normally involves watching YouTube tutorials/lectures and googling information up. For some people this can be good and teach them patience, for many this will be an obstacle and divert them to alternatives. Mathematica is great but has keep the competition in mind. I am afraid it will decline heavily sooner or later.

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mamediz 4y ago

Without a Raspberry Pi, at least you can use the wolfram engine for free [0] and integrate with your applications, although without all the benefits of the wolfram notebooks environment. [0] https://www.wolfram.com/engine/ https://www.wolfram.com/engine/

cosmotic 4y ago
As long as your application is not commercial.
- mamediz 4y ago
  Indeed, but I believe that if one develop a commercial application that uses Wolfram language then they would think it is worth to pay for it.

II2II 4y ago

... it was painfully slow on the original Raspberry Pi, but it is usable on the Pi 4. You probably wouldn't want to use it for serious work or even serious course work (e.g. post secondary), but it does demo the product and is fine for high school level math. The biggest hurdle is the startup time and, depending upon how patient you are, visualization.

justin66 4y ago

You should be able to view a YouTube video on a Pi 4 with enough RAM, while running Mathematica in another window. With the newer hardware the performance problems should only come if you try to use 4k video or something.