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The point is more that it's reaching a point where true history is hidden/questionable/edited/rare/debated. It's not too the next step where totalitarianism co

The point is more that it's reaching a point where true history is hidden/questionable/edited/rare/debated. It's not too the next step where totalitarianism comes into play. Especially when it gets to the point where having stepped over these boundaries in the past can lead to being targeted by the government / powerful corporations / employers. But it's 100% relevant to be bringing into the conversation.

jquery 4y ago
Tennessee just banned transition therapy for trans people and gave them a year to “detransition”. The owner of Twitter just replied “kek” to an outspoken segregationist. But sure, it’s capitalists trying to sell more pulp fiction that’s the biggest fascist threat in America right now.
- not_a_shill 4y ago
  Was the only non-fascist era in USA history 2015-2016 (Oberfell to Trump)? You could probably knock the years back to Obama if you want, but Prop 8 was in 2008 so it's hard to go earlier than that. NOI segregationists have existed for a long time in the post-segregation era.
- CoryAlexMartin 4y ago
  The Tennessee bill you’re referring to specifically prohibits children, not adults, from receiving puberty blockers, hormone therapies and sex change operations.
  - sundaeofshock 4y ago
    It is a transphobic bill that blocks all age and medical appropriate gender affirming care for a person under 18. This includes totally reversible actions related to social transition including name changes and clothing choices. https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/human-rights-campaign-condemns-tennessee-house-for-passing-discriminatory-anti-drag-bill-and-gender-affirming-care-ban-urges-governor-lee-to-veto https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/human-rights-campaign-con...
    - CoryAlexMartin 4y ago
      Have you read a summary of the bill? As far as I can tell, it specifically pertain to medical procedures and therapies. The activist article you linked mentions clothing and names as being things children may change when they see themselves as being transgender, but these certainly do not seem to be things prohibited by the bill. https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/billinfo/default.aspx?BillNumber=HB0001 https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/billinfo/default.aspx?BillN...
      - sundaeofshock 4y ago
        I did read the summary from the HRC (the largest LGBTQ lobbying group in the US, btw). I also decided to bypass another summary to read the text of the bill, which explicitly bans social transition by disallowing: (1) Enabling a minor to identify with, or live as, a purported identity inconsistent with the minor's sex; or (2) Treating purported discomfort or distress from a discordance between the minor's sex and asserted identity. What am I missing here? HB1 text: https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/113/Bill/SB0001.pdf https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/113/Bill/SB0001.pdf
        ForestCritter 4y ago
        You are missing that clothing and names have really nothing to do with gender outside of society imposed social concepts and that children should be allowed to grow up in the bodies they were born in and not made to feel alienated from their own selves to the point of self mutilation.
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- foxes 4y ago
  One of the only good comments in this hellscape lol
- gopherjo 4y ago
  Good to hear that Tennessee is standing firm against the medical abuse of children. Well done that state.
DoreenMichele 4y ago
"History is written by the victors." What mostly white people in charge are comfortable with publishing is never the whole story.
- nhchris 4y ago
  Is that why history and pop culture are filled with the heroism and benevolence of whites, and the crimes and hostilities perpetrated upon them by demonized people of color? And if you want to find examples of whites doing something wrong, or non-whites being victimized at their hands, you really have to dig for it, and such events are virtually unknown? For example, everyone knows the details of the Barbary, Arab, Ottoman, Caucasus, Saharan, and Andalusian slave trades, and countless movies were made showing how whites suffered under them, and their mythologized wars to end them. Some were even made showing Blacks' suffering under the Saharan slave trade, as it was politically useful for whites to demonize Arabs. However, did you know Europe and its colonies also engaged in slavery? Before the US abolished slavery in 1865, 12 million Black slaves were shipped to the Americas. Mostly to South America, but some to North and the US as well. That may be less than the estimated 11-17 million the Saharan slave trade claimed, but it's hardly something we should ignore. Of course the white people in charge aren't comfortable publishing this, so it has been relegated to the footnotes of history.
  - DoreenMichele 4y ago
    You know, I'm not anyone in charge of deciding what goes into these republished works. I'm just some random internet stranger baffled at the people comparing edits to popular works of fiction which will be acknowledged in writing with a disclaimer to totalitarian regimes actively hiding the truth and pretending they haven't.
  - hairofadog 4y ago
    > Is that why history and pop culture are filled with the heroism and benevolence of whites Yes? It seems you're sarcastically referring to very recent history in which some people are like, you know, the actual legit dominance of white narrative in history and pop-culture could maybe be dialed back a bit and we could do a better job of representing the stories of all the people who are part of our shared experience instead of just the white ones? Slavery and Indigenous American genocide only very recently happened, and there remains a lot of residual inequity, including modern-day slavery in the prison marketplace. The people you're complaining about are also in the country where those things happened, so obviously they'll be more prominently discussed in history than the Saharan slave trade. There's also a lot of discussion about banning teaching of these topics, so it needs to be discussed and defended; as far as I know, Florida isn't banning teaching the Saharan slave trade.

jquery 4y ago

Tennessee just banned transition therapy for trans people and gave them a year to “detransition”. The owner of Twitter just replied “kek” to an outspoken segregationist. But sure, it’s capitalists trying to sell more pulp fiction that’s the biggest fascist threat in America right now.

not_a_shill 4y ago
Was the only non-fascist era in USA history 2015-2016 (Oberfell to Trump)? You could probably knock the years back to Obama if you want, but Prop 8 was in 2008 so it's hard to go earlier than that. NOI segregationists have existed for a long time in the post-segregation era.
CoryAlexMartin 4y ago
The Tennessee bill you’re referring to specifically prohibits children, not adults, from receiving puberty blockers, hormone therapies and sex change operations.
- sundaeofshock 4y ago
  It is a transphobic bill that blocks all age and medical appropriate gender affirming care for a person under 18. This includes totally reversible actions related to social transition including name changes and clothing choices. https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/human-rights-campaign-condemns-tennessee-house-for-passing-discriminatory-anti-drag-bill-and-gender-affirming-care-ban-urges-governor-lee-to-veto https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/human-rights-campaign-con...
  - CoryAlexMartin 4y ago
    Have you read a summary of the bill? As far as I can tell, it specifically pertain to medical procedures and therapies. The activist article you linked mentions clothing and names as being things children may change when they see themselves as being transgender, but these certainly do not seem to be things prohibited by the bill. https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/billinfo/default.aspx?BillNumber=HB0001 https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/billinfo/default.aspx?BillN...
    - sundaeofshock 4y ago
      I did read the summary from the HRC (the largest LGBTQ lobbying group in the US, btw). I also decided to bypass another summary to read the text of the bill, which explicitly bans social transition by disallowing: (1) Enabling a minor to identify with, or live as, a purported identity inconsistent with the minor's sex; or (2) Treating purported discomfort or distress from a discordance between the minor's sex and asserted identity. What am I missing here? HB1 text: https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/113/Bill/SB0001.pdf https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/113/Bill/SB0001.pdf
      - ForestCritter 4y ago
        You are missing that clothing and names have really nothing to do with gender outside of society imposed social concepts and that children should be allowed to grow up in the bodies they were born in and not made to feel alienated from their own selves to the point of self mutilation.
        jquery 4y ago
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        gopherjo 4y ago
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foxes 4y ago
One of the only good comments in this hellscape lol
gopherjo 4y ago
Good to hear that Tennessee is standing firm against the medical abuse of children. Well done that state.

DoreenMichele 4y ago

"History is written by the victors." What mostly white people in charge are comfortable with publishing is never the whole story.

nhchris 4y ago
Is that why history and pop culture are filled with the heroism and benevolence of whites, and the crimes and hostilities perpetrated upon them by demonized people of color? And if you want to find examples of whites doing something wrong, or non-whites being victimized at their hands, you really have to dig for it, and such events are virtually unknown? For example, everyone knows the details of the Barbary, Arab, Ottoman, Caucasus, Saharan, and Andalusian slave trades, and countless movies were made showing how whites suffered under them, and their mythologized wars to end them. Some were even made showing Blacks' suffering under the Saharan slave trade, as it was politically useful for whites to demonize Arabs. However, did you know Europe and its colonies also engaged in slavery? Before the US abolished slavery in 1865, 12 million Black slaves were shipped to the Americas. Mostly to South America, but some to North and the US as well. That may be less than the estimated 11-17 million the Saharan slave trade claimed, but it's hardly something we should ignore. Of course the white people in charge aren't comfortable publishing this, so it has been relegated to the footnotes of history.
- DoreenMichele 4y ago
  You know, I'm not anyone in charge of deciding what goes into these republished works. I'm just some random internet stranger baffled at the people comparing edits to popular works of fiction which will be acknowledged in writing with a disclaimer to totalitarian regimes actively hiding the truth and pretending they haven't.
- hairofadog 4y ago
  > Is that why history and pop culture are filled with the heroism and benevolence of whites Yes? It seems you're sarcastically referring to very recent history in which some people are like, you know, the actual legit dominance of white narrative in history and pop-culture could maybe be dialed back a bit and we could do a better job of representing the stories of all the people who are part of our shared experience instead of just the white ones? Slavery and Indigenous American genocide only very recently happened, and there remains a lot of residual inequity, including modern-day slavery in the prison marketplace. The people you're complaining about are also in the country where those things happened, so obviously they'll be more prominently discussed in history than the Saharan slave trade. There's also a lot of discussion about banning teaching of these topics, so it needs to be discussed and defended; as far as I know, Florida isn't banning teaching the Saharan slave trade.