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Marshall Sahlins studied hunter gatherer bands, and many work less than forty hours a week. Programmers I know can't figure out how to get down to a forty hour

Marshall Sahlins studied hunter gatherer bands, and many work less than forty hours a week. Programmers I know can't figure out how to get down to a forty hour a week workweek to survive, but these hunter gather bands in sub-Saharan Africa and the Amazon seem to have figured it out.

klipt 4y ago
I assume those groups are now protected and effectively have some government granted monopoly on their hunting and gathering land. Always easier to have a good life with extra help from the government :)
- Convolutional 4y ago
  Not really, they're being killed off by mining companies.
  - klipt 4y ago
    That's sad to hear. Suggests they don't really have it all figured out though. Being able to defend yourself from invaders is an important thing to figure out, too.
therealdrag0 4y ago
Ive worked at a half dozen companies and never been pressured to work more than 40 hours as an engineer. So many have figured it out.
pas 4y ago
foraging only works if there's a sufficiently low population density. the Amazon is so plentiful it even allows these communities to stay relatively fixed, in other climates they had to move around a lot (after relatively exhausting an area) of course we work a lot more because we want some of that economic surplus to reinvest it back into things that we think will improve our life. a relatively constant life wouldn't require that. also our decision-making and surplus distribution system is very very inefficient compared to a few hundred strong community's. economically we can afford to build millions individual cars and houses and offices, fully furnish them, and do this again-and-again when old buildings get demolished, old stuff gets dumped into landfills. we can afford to build tanks and bombs and then do that again and again, and to maintain standing armies. unfortunately efficiency and longevity is just not a global concern :(

klipt 4y ago

I assume those groups are now protected and effectively have some government granted monopoly on their hunting and gathering land. Always easier to have a good life with extra help from the government :)

Convolutional 4y ago
Not really, they're being killed off by mining companies.
- klipt 4y ago
  That's sad to hear. Suggests they don't really have it all figured out though. Being able to defend yourself from invaders is an important thing to figure out, too.

therealdrag0 4y ago

Ive worked at a half dozen companies and never been pressured to work more than 40 hours as an engineer. So many have figured it out.

pas 4y ago

foraging only works if there's a sufficiently low population density. the Amazon is so plentiful it even allows these communities to stay relatively fixed, in other climates they had to move around a lot (after relatively exhausting an area) of course we work a lot more because we want some of that economic surplus to reinvest it back into things that we think will improve our life. a relatively constant life wouldn't require that. also our decision-making and surplus distribution system is very very inefficient compared to a few hundred strong community's. economically we can afford to build millions individual cars and houses and offices, fully furnish them, and do this again-and-again when old buildings get demolished, old stuff gets dumped into landfills. we can afford to build tanks and bombs and then do that again and again, and to maintain standing armies. unfortunately efficiency and longevity is just not a global concern :(