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I don't think JK Rowling is anti-trans. She just doesn't think that trans women ought to have the exact same set of rights as cis women. That's not anti-trans a

I don't think JK Rowling is anti-trans. She just doesn't think that trans women ought to have the exact same set of rights as cis women. That's not anti-trans any more than thinking men and women ought to have different rights is anti-men.

abduhl 4y ago
I don't think this is JK Rowling's position. JK Rowling doesn't think that trans women shouldn't have the exact same set of RIGHTS as cis women, she thinks that trans women shouldn't be able have the same set of societal privileges as cis women. This seems like a thin way to slice a hair, but I think the two ideas are distinct.
donocin 4y ago
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- nicoburns 4y ago
  You're really not helping the cause here by defining "woman" in such a way that trans women are unambiguously excluded. There's an important debate to be had here about the nature of gender and the role it ought to have in society. And we can't have that debate if people insist on using language that presumes the answer.
  - donocin 4y ago
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  - dmix 4y ago
    We also can't have a debate about defining women where even daring to ask the question brings about mobs. As much as the absolutist "men can never become women" crowd attempts to shut down these debates there's also the equally harmful groups who say that "anyone who says they are a woman is one and even questioning that makes you a transphobe". It's easier to dismiss the former as intolerant, but the latter is becoming the (only) socially accepted opinion on places like Reddit. Which is insidious for such a contentious topic. I personally don't see how we can solve this cultural issue without there being some very clear grey area in between.
    - donocin 4y ago
      > As much as the absolutist "men can never become women" crowd attempts to shut down these debates How does this shut down the debate? Anyone is welcome to argue their case in favor of the concept of "male women", and many do attempt to do so.

abduhl 4y ago

I don't think this is JK Rowling's position. JK Rowling doesn't think that trans women shouldn't have the exact same set of RIGHTS as cis women, she thinks that trans women shouldn't be able have the same set of societal privileges as cis women. This seems like a thin way to slice a hair, but I think the two ideas are distinct.

donocin 4y ago

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nicoburns 4y ago
You're really not helping the cause here by defining "woman" in such a way that trans women are unambiguously excluded. There's an important debate to be had here about the nature of gender and the role it ought to have in society. And we can't have that debate if people insist on using language that presumes the answer.
- donocin 4y ago
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- dmix 4y ago
  We also can't have a debate about defining women where even daring to ask the question brings about mobs. As much as the absolutist "men can never become women" crowd attempts to shut down these debates there's also the equally harmful groups who say that "anyone who says they are a woman is one and even questioning that makes you a transphobe". It's easier to dismiss the former as intolerant, but the latter is becoming the (only) socially accepted opinion on places like Reddit. Which is insidious for such a contentious topic. I personally don't see how we can solve this cultural issue without there being some very clear grey area in between.
  - donocin 4y ago
    > As much as the absolutist "men can never become women" crowd attempts to shut down these debates How does this shut down the debate? Anyone is welcome to argue their case in favor of the concept of "male women", and many do attempt to do so.