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Could you expand on, for a person who only dabbled with Mathematica some time back, what that niche is?

prof-dr-ir 4y ago
Mathematica usage appears widespread in my own domain of theoretical physics, but it is probably used in elsewhere as well.
mhh__ 4y ago
A good niche for mathematica is finance: type in your equations, tell it what "type" your variables are, let it solve them. Let the machine get it right.
- azalemeth 4y ago
  Do you have a good example of this beyond Black Scholes and with eg real world market data and picking a portfolio of ETFs, say?
  - mhh__ 4y ago
    Yes but I can't legally tell you (weird exotics and fixed income models with lots of daycounts that you'll make a mistake on are a hint)
CuriousCosmic 4y ago
As a random computer engineer, I find using mathematica to be extremely convenient when trying to grok a problem or lay out a first attempt at a solution. Of course it isn't really helpful when dealing with glue issues (i.e. making software work together) but it is really good at letting you experiment at a high level and put together an algorithm to process/interpret/transform/generate some data. I say it's good for high level experimentation because basically every function/transform/operation/solver you could ever need is present in the standard library [1] and stuff "just works". IMHO it's not really something you'd want in production but it lets you get an MVP for a given problem/solution working faster than any other tool I've used and all while rarely needing to even consider a 3rd party library. You can then focus on just mapping that MVP to whatever language/library/ecosystem you are actually working in. 1. https://reference.wolfram.com/language/ https://reference.wolfram.com/language/
neltnerb 4y ago
It used to be the big differentiator was the ability to do symbolic math and actually solve equations. Maple could also do it, as could the TI89, so I never really got into it. It was just a huge difference from Matlab. But if I have an actually nasty equation to solve, like a system of differential equations with erf functions or something, I do actually go to wolfram alpha for help. It happens more often than I'd like, it's especially nice that no matter how nasty the equations you can still use units.
- danuker 4y ago
  The reason I might find Mathematica interesting is its language, which I found to be on my popularity-brevity Pareto frontier. https://danuker.go.ro/programming-languages.html#non-math-map https://danuker.go.ro/programming-languages.html#non-math-ma... So, it can express an average Rosetta Code non-math task in ~180 bytes, compared to Python, ~270, or Java, ~420. I guess this is because of its vast libraries of "batteries included". Where it all falls apart is sharing. Nobody can run my creation, and even Mathematica Home Cloud is $194/year, which I find pretty steep, being used to free & libre software. Monetizing is a whole different story, with commercial licenses starting at $1620/yr, which I could only justify if I already had a team wanting to learn the language and a large-ish profitable business service whose source code I wanted to convert to a locked-in solution for some reason.
  - SomeHacker44 4y ago
    I bought a one time home license for like $200ish a number of years ago and it still works, and will likely work forever. I have transferred it between computers and even OSes over time. Worth it. I pay as much for JetBrains annuallt and way more for the Adobe stuff I use maybe twice a year.
    - whitten 4y ago
      Are one-time licenses a thing of the past ?
      - 4y ago
milkthefat 4y ago
It's extremely versatile which makes it able to solve some neat problems. My favorite example is this was a CodeGolf to find if a goat in an image is upside down. - https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/71631/upgoat-or-downgoat https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/71631/upgoat-or...
- lordgrenville 4y ago
  For those who didn't click: Mathematica stdlib contains a "detect goat" function.
  - paraph1n 4y ago
    That's not quite true. The function call in question is > ImageInstanceQ[x,"caprine animal",RecognitionThreshold->i/100] I think it's less misleading to say it has a generic image recognition function that supports goats, among many other recognition targets.

Mathematica usage appears widespread in my own domain of theoretical physics, but it is probably used in elsewhere as well.

mhh__ 4y ago

A good niche for mathematica is finance: type in your equations, tell it what "type" your variables are, let it solve them. Let the machine get it right.

azalemeth 4y ago
Do you have a good example of this beyond Black Scholes and with eg real world market data and picking a portfolio of ETFs, say?
- mhh__ 4y ago
  Yes but I can't legally tell you (weird exotics and fixed income models with lots of daycounts that you'll make a mistake on are a hint)

CuriousCosmic 4y ago

As a random computer engineer, I find using mathematica to be extremely convenient when trying to grok a problem or lay out a first attempt at a solution. Of course it isn't really helpful when dealing with glue issues (i.e. making software work together) but it is really good at letting you experiment at a high level and put together an algorithm to process/interpret/transform/generate some data. I say it's good for high level experimentation because basically every function/transform/operation/solver you could ever need is present in the standard library [1] and stuff "just works". IMHO it's not really something you'd want in production but it lets you get an MVP for a given problem/solution working faster than any other tool I've used and all while rarely needing to even consider a 3rd party library. You can then focus on just mapping that MVP to whatever language/library/ecosystem you are actually working in. 1. https://reference.wolfram.com/language/ https://reference.wolfram.com/language/

neltnerb 4y ago

It used to be the big differentiator was the ability to do symbolic math and actually solve equations. Maple could also do it, as could the TI89, so I never really got into it. It was just a huge difference from Matlab. But if I have an actually nasty equation to solve, like a system of differential equations with erf functions or something, I do actually go to wolfram alpha for help. It happens more often than I'd like, it's especially nice that no matter how nasty the equations you can still use units.

danuker 4y ago
The reason I might find Mathematica interesting is its language, which I found to be on my popularity-brevity Pareto frontier. https://danuker.go.ro/programming-languages.html#non-math-map https://danuker.go.ro/programming-languages.html#non-math-ma... So, it can express an average Rosetta Code non-math task in ~180 bytes, compared to Python, ~270, or Java, ~420. I guess this is because of its vast libraries of "batteries included". Where it all falls apart is sharing. Nobody can run my creation, and even Mathematica Home Cloud is $194/year, which I find pretty steep, being used to free & libre software. Monetizing is a whole different story, with commercial licenses starting at $1620/yr, which I could only justify if I already had a team wanting to learn the language and a large-ish profitable business service whose source code I wanted to convert to a locked-in solution for some reason.
- SomeHacker44 4y ago
  I bought a one time home license for like $200ish a number of years ago and it still works, and will likely work forever. I have transferred it between computers and even OSes over time. Worth it. I pay as much for JetBrains annuallt and way more for the Adobe stuff I use maybe twice a year.
  - whitten 4y ago
    Are one-time licenses a thing of the past ?
    - 4y ago

milkthefat 4y ago

It's extremely versatile which makes it able to solve some neat problems. My favorite example is this was a CodeGolf to find if a goat in an image is upside down. - https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/71631/upgoat-or-downgoat https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/71631/upgoat-or...

lordgrenville 4y ago
For those who didn't click: Mathematica stdlib contains a "detect goat" function.
- paraph1n 4y ago
  That's not quite true. The function call in question is > ImageInstanceQ[x,"caprine animal",RecognitionThreshold->i/100] I think it's less misleading to say it has a generic image recognition function that supports goats, among many other recognition targets.