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> while this was not a formal treaty signed on paper So you already know there was no such agreement or promise, and still try claim it as such. You know there

> while this was not a formal treaty signed on paper So you already know there was no such agreement or promise, and still try claim it as such. You know there's a good reason all the HN discussions in this topic get locked down -- they get immediately targeted by disinformation and indefensible Russian imperialist ideology. > Please don't attack or misrepresent my character or intent. I hope you can acknowledge that I'm not attacking you. I don't know you, so I can't know about your intents. The outcome, however, is that you end up repeating Russian propaganda and lies, and that's why you get downvoted.

_8j50 4y ago
> So you already know there was no such agreement or promise, and still try claim it as such. Clearly I laid out reasons why there is a promise yet you claim I am fraudulently claiming otherwise? > they get immediately targeted by disinformation and indefensible Russian imperialist ideology. I don't give a shit about russian ideology, if you don't care to disagree and correct what I said respectfully it would be better if you said nothing at all. Russians use this reason to justify their actions, I did not justify anything Russia did. You can only join NATO by invitation, when expanding an alliance in a time of peace, it makes sense for the only real enemy of the alliance to fear how they'll fare in the event of a future military conflict no? And NATO knew that and played chicken with a psychotic dictator. You peope that think the way you do are caught up in morality and who is right and wrong. I am talking about what actions led to conflict and how peace can be acheived. I don't care who you blame, it would not be nice if Ukraine is just the start
- fortuna86 4y ago
  > when expanding an alliance in a time of peace Why did countries join NATO in peacetime? https://i.imgur.com/3RGVziu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/3RGVziu.jpg

_8j50 4y ago

> So you already know there was no such agreement or promise, and still try claim it as such. Clearly I laid out reasons why there is a promise yet you claim I am fraudulently claiming otherwise? > they get immediately targeted by disinformation and indefensible Russian imperialist ideology. I don't give a shit about russian ideology, if you don't care to disagree and correct what I said respectfully it would be better if you said nothing at all. Russians use this reason to justify their actions, I did not justify anything Russia did. You can only join NATO by invitation, when expanding an alliance in a time of peace, it makes sense for the only real enemy of the alliance to fear how they'll fare in the event of a future military conflict no? And NATO knew that and played chicken with a psychotic dictator. You peope that think the way you do are caught up in morality and who is right and wrong. I am talking about what actions led to conflict and how peace can be acheived. I don't care who you blame, it would not be nice if Ukraine is just the start

fortuna86 4y ago
> when expanding an alliance in a time of peace Why did countries join NATO in peacetime? https://i.imgur.com/3RGVziu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/3RGVziu.jpg