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Another controversial comment but I know more and more young men deciding not to waste time pursuing dates and instead going to prostitutes.

csomar 4y ago
It's only controversial in the US. Sex work is a legitimate job. We are selling our brain time on a daily basis to employer. Someone else is selling labor and cleaning the sewers. It's exactly the same thing unless you have a religious agenda.
- thunderbong 4y ago
  Only if there's a legal framework which is followed and enforced to prevent exploitation.
  - number6 4y ago
    Same for all other kinds of work.
- mrphoebs 4y ago
  No it's not, it might be acceptable in a few societies but in a vast majority of societies across the globe sex work is both frowned upon and illegal. You are naive if you think all prostitutes are willing participants that chose this as a career. Across the world forced prostitution/sex work is fuelled by human trafficking of women and minors. In an ideal world human beings should be free to make their own choices based on their context and society free to judge them based on it's context. One can't have it both ways. One cannot have absolute individual freedom within a social substrate and be an accepted member of said society without adhering to the norms of the social contract, what ever that might be.
  - justinclift 4y ago
    Simultaneously, it takes some balls (sic) to claim that sex work in all countries is definitely the result of human trafficking (etc). How about: "In some countries, sex work seems to be illegal and problematic. But in other countries, it's regulated and successful.".
    - mrphoebs 4y ago
      I didn't claim sex work in all countries is a result of human trafficking. I said forced prostitution is fuelled by human trafficking. >"In some countries, sex work seems to be illegal and problematic. But in other countries, it's regulated and successful." My take is similar to yours, I'm just communicating to the original commentor that the societies where sex work is legitimate, regulated and safe is a minority compared to the societies where it isn't.
      - justinclift 4y ago
        > I said forced prostitution is fuelled by human trafficking. Thinking about it, that's a good point. "Unforced" (eg voluntary or better term) prostitution seems like it wouldn't have anything to do with "human trafficking", as they'd be kind of anathema to each other.
    - cscurmudgeon 4y ago
      Wait I thought “ It's only controversial in the US”. Now, it is “some countries”?
      - justinclift 4y ago
        Yeah, I reckon that's a silly statement too. It's clearly "controversial" (in various ways) across a large range of countries.
  - Beaver117 4y ago
    In terms of legality, well drugs are illegal too and they're still widely used and somewhat frowned upon in the US. Morally, it's up to you but the human trafficking numbers are larely exaggerated and most participants are willing.
- cscurmudgeon 4y ago
  > It's only controversial in the US This is just plainly false unless you consider all the red regions in the map to be "US" https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-prostitution-is-legal https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries...
granshaw 4y ago
Simply the current dynamic taken to its logical conclusion
afavour 4y ago
You aren’t going to settle down and marry a prostitute, though. Yes, I can see the argument for replacing the casual dating scene with a prostitute but not dating in general. Seeing a bunch of “women want love, men want sex!” comments in this thread and man are they off base. Of course men want love, belonging, family, etc etc… it’s a tired joke that they have to be tricked into commitment.
- mettamage 4y ago
  I fully agree with this. Me and my friends talk about dating a lot, the above comment is accurate
- curiousguy 4y ago
  True, as a man, I want love, belonging, family, etc. But many women, specially in their early 20s, have completely unrealistic and entitled mentality. They don’t offer love and support, but only drama e constant criticism. Going to a prostitute is simpler while you can’t find a real partner.

csomar 4y ago

It's only controversial in the US. Sex work is a legitimate job. We are selling our brain time on a daily basis to employer. Someone else is selling labor and cleaning the sewers. It's exactly the same thing unless you have a religious agenda.

thunderbong 4y ago
Only if there's a legal framework which is followed and enforced to prevent exploitation.
- number6 4y ago
  Same for all other kinds of work.
mrphoebs 4y ago
No it's not, it might be acceptable in a few societies but in a vast majority of societies across the globe sex work is both frowned upon and illegal. You are naive if you think all prostitutes are willing participants that chose this as a career. Across the world forced prostitution/sex work is fuelled by human trafficking of women and minors. In an ideal world human beings should be free to make their own choices based on their context and society free to judge them based on it's context. One can't have it both ways. One cannot have absolute individual freedom within a social substrate and be an accepted member of said society without adhering to the norms of the social contract, what ever that might be.
- justinclift 4y ago
  Simultaneously, it takes some balls (sic) to claim that sex work in all countries is definitely the result of human trafficking (etc). How about: "In some countries, sex work seems to be illegal and problematic. But in other countries, it's regulated and successful.".
  - mrphoebs 4y ago
    I didn't claim sex work in all countries is a result of human trafficking. I said forced prostitution is fuelled by human trafficking. >"In some countries, sex work seems to be illegal and problematic. But in other countries, it's regulated and successful." My take is similar to yours, I'm just communicating to the original commentor that the societies where sex work is legitimate, regulated and safe is a minority compared to the societies where it isn't.
    - justinclift 4y ago
      > I said forced prostitution is fuelled by human trafficking. Thinking about it, that's a good point. "Unforced" (eg voluntary or better term) prostitution seems like it wouldn't have anything to do with "human trafficking", as they'd be kind of anathema to each other.
  - cscurmudgeon 4y ago
    Wait I thought “ It's only controversial in the US”. Now, it is “some countries”?
    - justinclift 4y ago
      Yeah, I reckon that's a silly statement too. It's clearly "controversial" (in various ways) across a large range of countries.
- Beaver117 4y ago
  In terms of legality, well drugs are illegal too and they're still widely used and somewhat frowned upon in the US. Morally, it's up to you but the human trafficking numbers are larely exaggerated and most participants are willing.
cscurmudgeon 4y ago
> It's only controversial in the US This is just plainly false unless you consider all the red regions in the map to be "US" https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-prostitution-is-legal https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries...

granshaw 4y ago

Simply the current dynamic taken to its logical conclusion

afavour 4y ago

You aren’t going to settle down and marry a prostitute, though. Yes, I can see the argument for replacing the casual dating scene with a prostitute but not dating in general. Seeing a bunch of “women want love, men want sex!” comments in this thread and man are they off base. Of course men want love, belonging, family, etc etc… it’s a tired joke that they have to be tricked into commitment.

mettamage 4y ago
I fully agree with this. Me and my friends talk about dating a lot, the above comment is accurate
curiousguy 4y ago
True, as a man, I want love, belonging, family, etc. But many women, specially in their early 20s, have completely unrealistic and entitled mentality. They don’t offer love and support, but only drama e constant criticism. Going to a prostitute is simpler while you can’t find a real partner.