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> We're cancelling the person who said stay away from people who said that. Factually wrong. He is saying to stay away from "Black people" in the abstract. It

> We're cancelling the person who said stay away from people who said that. Factually wrong. He is saying to stay away from "Black people" in the abstract. It is plainly racist and there is no redeeming context in the video.

ipaddr 4y ago
Redeeming? I thought that was a weird choice of words bar to set. So this person's video wasn't able to save you or people from sin. "able to save people from sin, error, or evil" (oxford dictionary) Calling his reaction plainly racist when the entire thing is highly racist is being dishonest with yourself and this conversation. The redeeming part of this video is calling out people who ignore racism when it suits them and point fingers when it doesn't. Racist publisher creates survey you ignore. Survey shows about 1/2 black population is racist. You ignore. Crazy guy says stay away from black people.. you call him racist. Same story but half of whites surveyed are racist against black. Would you have ignored it? Are you part of the problem or solution?
- hackerlight 4y ago
  This is a lot of mental gymnastics over a simple point I was making. The post I was responding to falsely claimed that Adams was suggesting people stay away from only those Black people that allegedly held racist beliefs. I was merely pointing out that this was factually incorrect by highlighting that Adams was clearly talking about Black people in the abstract rather than only singling out Black racists.
  - ipaddr 4y ago
    Widen your len. They literally have produced the most racist survey that showed half the people responded in a racist way and you want to call out the person reacting to it? You want to call me out? Because he didn't qualify it by saying only the black people who responded when he prefixes the entire thing by telling you about the survey so you know who he referring to. What is the point you are trying to make? That you are defending racist people by calling others racist for them.. and you are an ally to racism?
    - mindslight 4y ago
      Criticizing racism isn't automatically anti-racist. You seem to be assuming that it is, such that pinning the racism tag on the poll absolves Adams. This is fallacious. It's not a good thing that the academic zeitgeist can be racist without suffering repercussions or even much self-criticism, but the right answer is to hold the line of anti-racism rather than jumping into the cesspool and partaking in one's own racist rants.
      - ipaddr 4y ago
        You can't selectively hold the line. By letting some through you negate your neutrality. Your outrage needs to be broader or it becomes hollow.
        mindslight 4y ago
        I can't figure out how you're getting "let some through" from what I said. In fact that seems to be exactly what you are doing by defending Adams's racist rant because it happened to be calling out other racism. It's possible to call out the original racism without going on a racist rant yourself, and if you want to be anti-racist that is what you need to do - otherwise one is just being a different flavor of racist.
    - hackerlight 4y ago
      > What is the point you are trying to make? I have made the point twice already. You said something factually incorrect. I explained why it was factually incorrect. That's all.

ipaddr 4y ago

Redeeming? I thought that was a weird choice of words bar to set. So this person's video wasn't able to save you or people from sin. "able to save people from sin, error, or evil" (oxford dictionary) Calling his reaction plainly racist when the entire thing is highly racist is being dishonest with yourself and this conversation. The redeeming part of this video is calling out people who ignore racism when it suits them and point fingers when it doesn't. Racist publisher creates survey you ignore. Survey shows about 1/2 black population is racist. You ignore. Crazy guy says stay away from black people.. you call him racist. Same story but half of whites surveyed are racist against black. Would you have ignored it? Are you part of the problem or solution?

hackerlight 4y ago
This is a lot of mental gymnastics over a simple point I was making. The post I was responding to falsely claimed that Adams was suggesting people stay away from only those Black people that allegedly held racist beliefs. I was merely pointing out that this was factually incorrect by highlighting that Adams was clearly talking about Black people in the abstract rather than only singling out Black racists.
- ipaddr 4y ago
  Widen your len. They literally have produced the most racist survey that showed half the people responded in a racist way and you want to call out the person reacting to it? You want to call me out? Because he didn't qualify it by saying only the black people who responded when he prefixes the entire thing by telling you about the survey so you know who he referring to. What is the point you are trying to make? That you are defending racist people by calling others racist for them.. and you are an ally to racism?
  - mindslight 4y ago
    Criticizing racism isn't automatically anti-racist. You seem to be assuming that it is, such that pinning the racism tag on the poll absolves Adams. This is fallacious. It's not a good thing that the academic zeitgeist can be racist without suffering repercussions or even much self-criticism, but the right answer is to hold the line of anti-racism rather than jumping into the cesspool and partaking in one's own racist rants.
    - ipaddr 4y ago
      You can't selectively hold the line. By letting some through you negate your neutrality. Your outrage needs to be broader or it becomes hollow.
      - mindslight 4y ago
        I can't figure out how you're getting "let some through" from what I said. In fact that seems to be exactly what you are doing by defending Adams's racist rant because it happened to be calling out other racism. It's possible to call out the original racism without going on a racist rant yourself, and if you want to be anti-racist that is what you need to do - otherwise one is just being a different flavor of racist.
  - hackerlight 4y ago
    > What is the point you are trying to make? I have made the point twice already. You said something factually incorrect. I explained why it was factually incorrect. That's all.