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Classic. What's the context for the poll? You're giving one party the benefit of the doubt but not the other.

viraptor 4y ago
There is no context to that poll. That's the whole question. I was hoping there's more, but it looks like it was just done to create controversy and attention. It's a meaningless (yet loaded with subtext) question that the author had to realise will do what it did. And people like Scott can grab onto that and cause more havoc on top with a side of some ignorant spicy takes.
- mightyham 4y ago
  I'm not making any claims about the accuracy of the poll results because I have no idea how it was conducted, but the question "Do you agree or disagree with this statement: 'It’s OK to be white.'?" is certainly not meaningless even if it's loaded. There is a very unambiguously correct answer to that statement and if there is a population with a significant amount of people answering "no" that clearly demonstrates something problematic about current public attitudes and race relations.
  - viraptor 4y ago
    I agree, it's only unambiguously correct in vacuum with no social context. Unless you control for what possible extra meaning can be assigned or implied here, it's a terrible poll - that's why I called it meaningless (as a poll question). If that one doesn't resonate for some people, let's try some other examples that should have unambiguously correct answers: "Is it ok to say gay?", "Is it ok to be a proud boy?", "Is it ok to support uniformed workers?", "Is it ok to love children?", etc. Now add the actual social context you're thinking of... Are they still unambiguous? A more meaningful one would be "do we still have issues with racism?" without a gotcha approach. (That the poll creator did not acknowledge)
    - mightyham 4y ago
      >it's only unambiguously correct in vacuum with no social context No it's not, lol. There is quite literally no social context where objecting to someone's given race is the correct moral choice.
      - roflyear 4y ago
        "it's okay to be white" is a troll that originated on 4chan. In that context yeah you can disagree with the phrase.
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        mightyham 4y ago
        That actually doesn't at all justify disagreeing with the phrase. Having a problem with a 4chan troll campaign is a different issue (and one I suspect most people have little to no knowledge of). This can very easily be likened to BLM. It's ok to not fully agree with the organization/movement but to disagree with the phrase "black lives matter" is simply wrong.
  - paulryanrogers 4y ago
    The question is a racist dog whistle. Knowing that I'd hesitate to answer in the affirmative even as a Caucasian. I'd probably decline to continue with the poll.
    - autoexec 4y ago
      Yeah, if all they had to choose from was a simple 'yes I agree' or 'no I don't agree' refusing to answer is the right move. Some answers need further explanation or else a lot of people will misunderstand you.
    - roflyear 4y ago
      Yes, but you have to realize that is you and other people will react or think differently - and you're starting to get at why this compromises the poll entirely.
    - mightyham 4y ago
      I think you need to get off the internet for a little while. The world does not revolve around 4chan memes, and the phrase "it's okay to be white" does not signal that someone is secretly a racial supremacist.
- ipaddr 4y ago
  Are we cancelling the people who made the poll? Are we cancelling and calling those who said yes racist? No. We're cancelling the person who said stay away from people who said that because it might offend those people? Seems to make 2023 sense. The era of ignorance and racism.
  - hackerlight 4y ago
    > We're cancelling the person who said stay away from people who said that. Factually wrong. He is saying to stay away from "Black people" in the abstract. It is plainly racist and there is no redeeming context in the video.
    - ipaddr 4y ago
      Redeeming? I thought that was a weird choice of words bar to set. So this person's video wasn't able to save you or people from sin. "able to save people from sin, error, or evil" (oxford dictionary) Calling his reaction plainly racist when the entire thing is highly racist is being dishonest with yourself and this conversation. The redeeming part of this video is calling out people who ignore racism when it suits them and point fingers when it doesn't. Racist publisher creates survey you ignore. Survey shows about 1/2 black population is racist. You ignore. Crazy guy says stay away from black people.. you call him racist. Same story but half of whites surveyed are racist against black. Would you have ignored it? Are you part of the problem or solution?
      - hackerlight 4y ago
        This is a lot of mental gymnastics over a simple point I was making. The post I was responding to falsely claimed that Adams was suggesting people stay away from only those Black people that allegedly held racist beliefs. I was merely pointing out that this was factually incorrect by highlighting that Adams was clearly talking about Black people in the abstract rather than only singling out Black racists.
        ipaddr 4y ago
- autoexec 4y ago
  > There is no context to that poll. That's the whole question. I was hoping there's more There is some context for the poll, or at least for that one question, and I think it's safe to assume that at least some of the people answering would be aware of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_okay_to_be_white https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_okay_to_be_white
  - viraptor 4y ago
    Nuance in phrasing. We're in agreement I think. There's context to the phrase, but the poll itself provides no context or further explanations for the question.

There is no context to that poll. That's the whole question. I was hoping there's more, but it looks like it was just done to create controversy and attention. It's a meaningless (yet loaded with subtext) question that the author had to realise will do what it did. And people like Scott can grab onto that and cause more havoc on top with a side of some ignorant spicy takes.

mightyham 4y ago
I'm not making any claims about the accuracy of the poll results because I have no idea how it was conducted, but the question "Do you agree or disagree with this statement: 'It’s OK to be white.'?" is certainly not meaningless even if it's loaded. There is a very unambiguously correct answer to that statement and if there is a population with a significant amount of people answering "no" that clearly demonstrates something problematic about current public attitudes and race relations.
- viraptor 4y ago
  I agree, it's only unambiguously correct in vacuum with no social context. Unless you control for what possible extra meaning can be assigned or implied here, it's a terrible poll - that's why I called it meaningless (as a poll question). If that one doesn't resonate for some people, let's try some other examples that should have unambiguously correct answers: "Is it ok to say gay?", "Is it ok to be a proud boy?", "Is it ok to support uniformed workers?", "Is it ok to love children?", etc. Now add the actual social context you're thinking of... Are they still unambiguous? A more meaningful one would be "do we still have issues with racism?" without a gotcha approach. (That the poll creator did not acknowledge)
  - mightyham 4y ago
    >it's only unambiguously correct in vacuum with no social context No it's not, lol. There is quite literally no social context where objecting to someone's given race is the correct moral choice.
    - roflyear 4y ago
      "it's okay to be white" is a troll that originated on 4chan. In that context yeah you can disagree with the phrase.
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
      - mightyham 4y ago
        That actually doesn't at all justify disagreeing with the phrase. Having a problem with a 4chan troll campaign is a different issue (and one I suspect most people have little to no knowledge of). This can very easily be likened to BLM. It's ok to not fully agree with the organization/movement but to disagree with the phrase "black lives matter" is simply wrong.
- paulryanrogers 4y ago
  The question is a racist dog whistle. Knowing that I'd hesitate to answer in the affirmative even as a Caucasian. I'd probably decline to continue with the poll.
  - autoexec 4y ago
    Yeah, if all they had to choose from was a simple 'yes I agree' or 'no I don't agree' refusing to answer is the right move. Some answers need further explanation or else a lot of people will misunderstand you.
  - roflyear 4y ago
    Yes, but you have to realize that is you and other people will react or think differently - and you're starting to get at why this compromises the poll entirely.
  - mightyham 4y ago
    I think you need to get off the internet for a little while. The world does not revolve around 4chan memes, and the phrase "it's okay to be white" does not signal that someone is secretly a racial supremacist.
ipaddr 4y ago
Are we cancelling the people who made the poll? Are we cancelling and calling those who said yes racist? No. We're cancelling the person who said stay away from people who said that because it might offend those people? Seems to make 2023 sense. The era of ignorance and racism.
- hackerlight 4y ago
  > We're cancelling the person who said stay away from people who said that. Factually wrong. He is saying to stay away from "Black people" in the abstract. It is plainly racist and there is no redeeming context in the video.
  - ipaddr 4y ago
    Redeeming? I thought that was a weird choice of words bar to set. So this person's video wasn't able to save you or people from sin. "able to save people from sin, error, or evil" (oxford dictionary) Calling his reaction plainly racist when the entire thing is highly racist is being dishonest with yourself and this conversation. The redeeming part of this video is calling out people who ignore racism when it suits them and point fingers when it doesn't. Racist publisher creates survey you ignore. Survey shows about 1/2 black population is racist. You ignore. Crazy guy says stay away from black people.. you call him racist. Same story but half of whites surveyed are racist against black. Would you have ignored it? Are you part of the problem or solution?
    - hackerlight 4y ago
      This is a lot of mental gymnastics over a simple point I was making. The post I was responding to falsely claimed that Adams was suggesting people stay away from only those Black people that allegedly held racist beliefs. I was merely pointing out that this was factually incorrect by highlighting that Adams was clearly talking about Black people in the abstract rather than only singling out Black racists.
      - ipaddr 4y ago
autoexec 4y ago
> There is no context to that poll. That's the whole question. I was hoping there's more There is some context for the poll, or at least for that one question, and I think it's safe to assume that at least some of the people answering would be aware of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_okay_to_be_white https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_okay_to_be_white
- viraptor 4y ago
  Nuance in phrasing. We're in agreement I think. There's context to the phrase, but the poll itself provides no context or further explanations for the question.