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The following is an actual quote from the stream: Scott Adams: "the best advice I would give to White people is to get the hell away from Black people" That i

The following is an actual quote from the stream: Scott Adams: "the best advice I would give to White people is to get the hell away from Black people" That is not "racist rant" to you?

refurb 4y ago
It would help to put it in context. He basically referenced some poll that asked black people if "it's ok to be white". And half said "no". So he said "that's a hate group" And said "the only solution is to get away from people [black people] who hold those views"
- roflyear 4y ago
  Classic. What's the context for the poll? You're giving one party the benefit of the doubt but not the other.
  - viraptor 4y ago
    There is no context to that poll. That's the whole question. I was hoping there's more, but it looks like it was just done to create controversy and attention. It's a meaningless (yet loaded with subtext) question that the author had to realise will do what it did. And people like Scott can grab onto that and cause more havoc on top with a side of some ignorant spicy takes.
    - mightyham 4y ago
      I'm not making any claims about the accuracy of the poll results because I have no idea how it was conducted, but the question "Do you agree or disagree with this statement: 'It’s OK to be white.'?" is certainly not meaningless even if it's loaded. There is a very unambiguously correct answer to that statement and if there is a population with a significant amount of people answering "no" that clearly demonstrates something problematic about current public attitudes and race relations.
      - viraptor 4y ago
        I agree, it's only unambiguously correct in vacuum with no social context. Unless you control for what possible extra meaning can be assigned or implied here, it's a terrible poll - that's why I called it meaningless (as a poll question). If that one doesn't resonate for some people, let's try some other examples that should have unambiguously correct answers: "Is it ok to say gay?", "Is it ok to be a proud boy?", "Is it ok to support uniformed workers?", "Is it ok to love children?", etc. Now add the actual social context you're thinking of... Are they still unambiguous? A more meaningful one would be "do we still have issues with racism?" without a gotcha approach. (That the poll creator did not acknowledge)
        mightyham 4y ago
        >it's only unambiguously correct in vacuum with no social context No it's not, lol. There is quite literally no social context where objecting to someone's given race is the correct moral choice.
        roflyear 4y ago
        "it's okay to be white" is a troll that originated on 4chan. In that context yeah you can disagree with the phrase.
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        mightyham 4y ago
        That actually doesn't at all justify disagreeing with the phrase. Having a problem with a 4chan troll campaign is a different issue (and one I suspect most people have little to no knowledge of). This can very easily be likened to BLM. It's ok to not fully agree with the organization/movement but to disagree with the phrase "black lives matter" is simply wrong.
      - paulryanrogers 4y ago
        The question is a racist dog whistle. Knowing that I'd hesitate to answer in the affirmative even as a Caucasian. I'd probably decline to continue with the poll.
    - ipaddr 4y ago
      Are we cancelling the people who made the poll? Are we cancelling and calling those who said yes racist? No. We're cancelling the person who said stay away from people who said that because it might offend those people? Seems to make 2023 sense. The era of ignorance and racism.
      - hackerlight 4y ago
        > We're cancelling the person who said stay away from people who said that. Factually wrong. He is saying to stay away from "Black people" in the abstract. It is plainly racist and there is no redeeming context in the video.
        ipaddr 4y ago
        Redeeming? I thought that was a weird choice of words bar to set. So this person's video wasn't able to save you or people from sin. "able to save people from sin, error, or evil" (oxford dictionary) Calling his reaction plainly racist when the entire thing is highly racist is being dishonest with yourself and this conversation. The redeeming part of this video is calling out people who ignore racism when it suits them and point fingers when it doesn't. Racist publisher creates survey you ignore. Survey shows about 1/2 black population is racist. You ignore. Crazy guy says stay away from black people.. you call him racist. Same story but half of whites surveyed are racist against black. Would you have ignored it? Are you part of the problem or solution?
        hackerlight 4y ago
        This is a lot of mental gymnastics over a simple point I was making. The post I was responding to falsely claimed that Adams was suggesting people stay away from only those Black people that allegedly held racist beliefs. I was merely pointing out that this was factually incorrect by highlighting that Adams was clearly talking about Black people in the abstract rather than only singling out Black racists.
        ipaddr 4y ago
    - autoexec 4y ago
      > There is no context to that poll. That's the whole question. I was hoping there's more There is some context for the poll, or at least for that one question, and I think it's safe to assume that at least some of the people answering would be aware of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_okay_to_be_white https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_okay_to_be_white
      - viraptor 4y ago
        Nuance in phrasing. We're in agreement I think. There's context to the phrase, but the poll itself provides no context or further explanations for the question.
- thelock85 4y ago
  > And half said “no” A “thin majority” said yes per the article. Disclaimer: I haven’t seen the actual poll numbers. If he was trying to make some comedic social commentary, he should’ve aimed at the poll question itself. Our society is too polarized to find the nuance and if he didn’t understand that then he was overconfident in his market value as a cartoonist.
- hackerlight 4y ago
  Essentializing all members of an ethnic group, many of whom have nothing to do with what you're accusing them of, is the definition of racism.
  - refurb 4y ago
    Right, which the original poll highlighted too "it's not ok to be white". It’s basically one group characterizing another group who is characterizing the first group. It’s just people with too much time on their hands yelling at each other. Its not important and most people would improve their mental health if they just avoided all the drama. The problem with the internet is that it gives anyone a voice and people who hear that voice assume it's important.
  - yucky 4y ago
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- edanm 4y ago
  > So he said "that's a hate group" If you think saying that Black Americans are a "hate group" is context that makes him seem less racist, you're wrong.
ihatepython 4y ago
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- paulryanrogers 4y ago
  Can you elaborate on what's logical? Also not sure I see the hypocrisy.
  - ihatepython 4y ago
    He's being practical. If someone doesn't like you, it's better to be safe than sorry. But I suppose you think it's ok to hate all Russians. And anti-vaxxers. And Trump supporters. This racism nonsense has been created mostly by the media.
    - paulryanrogers 4y ago
      Yet Adams doesn't argue to only avoid people who say "it's not OK to be white". He says white people should avoid black people in general. It's reductive to the point of being a racist conclusion itself. Such sentiments led to white flight and red lining. Things which only reinforced a system already stacked against people of color. And his conclusion is based on mixed results from a poll asking a very loaded question. So as logical arguments go it's flimsy at best. I'm not advocating hating anyone, implicitly or explicitly. It's disappointing when people disagree, yet not a reason to hate them personally--even when their ideas are destructive or hateful. Of course there are times when it is best to disengage, yet that doesn't excuse bucketing whole races or groups of people. Each person deserves to be heard and considered on their own merits, or not heard based on their own behavior.
      - ihatepython 4y ago
        Yes in a perfect world that would be nice. But in reality, it doesn't work that way, and it will never work that way. I don't actually care what Scott Adams thinks, I enjoyed his Dilbert comic back in the day, I didn't know that it was still around with new material. The point is, Why is the media giving him attention as such? Because it serves their agenda of PROMOTING racism. The people in power LOVE RACISM because it keeps people divided and fighting amongst themselves. The problem is the media.
tstrimple 4y ago
Unfortunately there is a segment of the population which doesn’t see *anything* as racist unless it involves white hoods and burning crosses and even then they would want the “context” of the burning cross before they could make any determination. If Scott Adams saying white people should avoid black people doesn’t check that box for them, almost nothing will.

The following is an actual quote from the stream: Scott Adams: "the best advice I would give to White people is to get the hell away from Black people" That is not "racist rant" to you?

refurb 4y ago

It would help to put it in context. He basically referenced some poll that asked black people if "it's ok to be white". And half said "no". So he said "that's a hate group" And said "the only solution is to get away from people [black people] who hold those views"

roflyear 4y ago
Classic. What's the context for the poll? You're giving one party the benefit of the doubt but not the other.
- viraptor 4y ago
  There is no context to that poll. That's the whole question. I was hoping there's more, but it looks like it was just done to create controversy and attention. It's a meaningless (yet loaded with subtext) question that the author had to realise will do what it did. And people like Scott can grab onto that and cause more havoc on top with a side of some ignorant spicy takes.
  - mightyham 4y ago
    I'm not making any claims about the accuracy of the poll results because I have no idea how it was conducted, but the question "Do you agree or disagree with this statement: 'It’s OK to be white.'?" is certainly not meaningless even if it's loaded. There is a very unambiguously correct answer to that statement and if there is a population with a significant amount of people answering "no" that clearly demonstrates something problematic about current public attitudes and race relations.
    - viraptor 4y ago
      I agree, it's only unambiguously correct in vacuum with no social context. Unless you control for what possible extra meaning can be assigned or implied here, it's a terrible poll - that's why I called it meaningless (as a poll question). If that one doesn't resonate for some people, let's try some other examples that should have unambiguously correct answers: "Is it ok to say gay?", "Is it ok to be a proud boy?", "Is it ok to support uniformed workers?", "Is it ok to love children?", etc. Now add the actual social context you're thinking of... Are they still unambiguous? A more meaningful one would be "do we still have issues with racism?" without a gotcha approach. (That the poll creator did not acknowledge)
      - mightyham 4y ago
        >it's only unambiguously correct in vacuum with no social context No it's not, lol. There is quite literally no social context where objecting to someone's given race is the correct moral choice.
        roflyear 4y ago
        "it's okay to be white" is a troll that originated on 4chan. In that context yeah you can disagree with the phrase.
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        mightyham 4y ago
        That actually doesn't at all justify disagreeing with the phrase. Having a problem with a 4chan troll campaign is a different issue (and one I suspect most people have little to no knowledge of). This can very easily be likened to BLM. It's ok to not fully agree with the organization/movement but to disagree with the phrase "black lives matter" is simply wrong.
    - paulryanrogers 4y ago
      The question is a racist dog whistle. Knowing that I'd hesitate to answer in the affirmative even as a Caucasian. I'd probably decline to continue with the poll.
  - ipaddr 4y ago
    Are we cancelling the people who made the poll? Are we cancelling and calling those who said yes racist? No. We're cancelling the person who said stay away from people who said that because it might offend those people? Seems to make 2023 sense. The era of ignorance and racism.
    - hackerlight 4y ago
      > We're cancelling the person who said stay away from people who said that. Factually wrong. He is saying to stay away from "Black people" in the abstract. It is plainly racist and there is no redeeming context in the video.
      - ipaddr 4y ago
        Redeeming? I thought that was a weird choice of words bar to set. So this person's video wasn't able to save you or people from sin. "able to save people from sin, error, or evil" (oxford dictionary) Calling his reaction plainly racist when the entire thing is highly racist is being dishonest with yourself and this conversation. The redeeming part of this video is calling out people who ignore racism when it suits them and point fingers when it doesn't. Racist publisher creates survey you ignore. Survey shows about 1/2 black population is racist. You ignore. Crazy guy says stay away from black people.. you call him racist. Same story but half of whites surveyed are racist against black. Would you have ignored it? Are you part of the problem or solution?
        hackerlight 4y ago
        This is a lot of mental gymnastics over a simple point I was making. The post I was responding to falsely claimed that Adams was suggesting people stay away from only those Black people that allegedly held racist beliefs. I was merely pointing out that this was factually incorrect by highlighting that Adams was clearly talking about Black people in the abstract rather than only singling out Black racists.
        ipaddr 4y ago
  - autoexec 4y ago
    > There is no context to that poll. That's the whole question. I was hoping there's more There is some context for the poll, or at least for that one question, and I think it's safe to assume that at least some of the people answering would be aware of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_okay_to_be_white https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_okay_to_be_white
    - viraptor 4y ago
      Nuance in phrasing. We're in agreement I think. There's context to the phrase, but the poll itself provides no context or further explanations for the question.
thelock85 4y ago
> And half said “no” A “thin majority” said yes per the article. Disclaimer: I haven’t seen the actual poll numbers. If he was trying to make some comedic social commentary, he should’ve aimed at the poll question itself. Our society is too polarized to find the nuance and if he didn’t understand that then he was overconfident in his market value as a cartoonist.
hackerlight 4y ago
Essentializing all members of an ethnic group, many of whom have nothing to do with what you're accusing them of, is the definition of racism.
- refurb 4y ago
  Right, which the original poll highlighted too "it's not ok to be white". It’s basically one group characterizing another group who is characterizing the first group. It’s just people with too much time on their hands yelling at each other. Its not important and most people would improve their mental health if they just avoided all the drama. The problem with the internet is that it gives anyone a voice and people who hear that voice assume it's important.
- yucky 4y ago
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edanm 4y ago
> So he said "that's a hate group" If you think saying that Black Americans are a "hate group" is context that makes him seem less racist, you're wrong.

ihatepython 4y ago

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paulryanrogers 4y ago
Can you elaborate on what's logical? Also not sure I see the hypocrisy.
- ihatepython 4y ago
  He's being practical. If someone doesn't like you, it's better to be safe than sorry. But I suppose you think it's ok to hate all Russians. And anti-vaxxers. And Trump supporters. This racism nonsense has been created mostly by the media.
  - paulryanrogers 4y ago
    Yet Adams doesn't argue to only avoid people who say "it's not OK to be white". He says white people should avoid black people in general. It's reductive to the point of being a racist conclusion itself. Such sentiments led to white flight and red lining. Things which only reinforced a system already stacked against people of color. And his conclusion is based on mixed results from a poll asking a very loaded question. So as logical arguments go it's flimsy at best. I'm not advocating hating anyone, implicitly or explicitly. It's disappointing when people disagree, yet not a reason to hate them personally--even when their ideas are destructive or hateful. Of course there are times when it is best to disengage, yet that doesn't excuse bucketing whole races or groups of people. Each person deserves to be heard and considered on their own merits, or not heard based on their own behavior.
    - ihatepython 4y ago
      Yes in a perfect world that would be nice. But in reality, it doesn't work that way, and it will never work that way. I don't actually care what Scott Adams thinks, I enjoyed his Dilbert comic back in the day, I didn't know that it was still around with new material. The point is, Why is the media giving him attention as such? Because it serves their agenda of PROMOTING racism. The people in power LOVE RACISM because it keeps people divided and fighting amongst themselves. The problem is the media.

tstrimple 4y ago

Unfortunately there is a segment of the population which doesn’t see *anything* as racist unless it involves white hoods and burning crosses and even then they would want the “context” of the burning cross before they could make any determination. If Scott Adams saying white people should avoid black people doesn’t check that box for them, almost nothing will.