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In Cod’s Shadow, Redfish Rise

22 points by Hooke 4y ago

paulcole 4y ago
Not that a HN’er would ever comment without reading the article, it’s important to note that the fish in the title is not the fish most commonly known in the US as Redfish, the Red Drum. Interestingly the Red Drum was fished very close to extinction starting in the early 80s due to a craze for a restaurant dish called Blackened Redfish.
jonstewart 4y ago
This is fascinating. Given the lifespan of redfish, my naive thought is that it makes sense to keep the fishery closed for at least that long—to develop multiple generations. But the success of the current generation is putting so much pressure on the ecosystem that culling it through fishing might be the best option. And yet, having an expected bycatch of 9% could put undue pressure on other species and threaten one with extinction. Meanwhile, the cod haven’t come back.
ggm 4y ago
Can live for 75 years, and appear to be growing back smaller as a species. Well.. if you harvest fish and prefer the bigger ones, Thats pretty much selection pressure on a plate right there.
sa46 4y ago
An opportunity arises for a Kafkaesque headline: "In Codd's Shadow, Redpanda Rises."
- northstar702 4y ago
  Are you referring to redpanda.com or something else?
tianqi 4y ago
It would be nice if such articles could identify the Latin name of the mentioned species. It's hard for me to know exactly what fish a "redfish" is. People all over the world call certain fish "red fish", like Americans call Sciaenops ocellatus redfish, while Chinese call Lutjanus erythropterus redfish, while they are actually completely different fish. In the other hand, the redfish in this article is called ocean perch in the US, although it is not a perch at all. Common names are confusing. Until now, I have not been completely sure what kind of fish the referred redfish is. If anyone knows its Latin name, please help me to know.
- tianqi 4y ago
  I did a search and guessed that the referred redfish is Sebastes mentella, but not sure.
- steponlego 4y ago
  You need Fishbase.
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Tiktaalik 4y ago
Remarkable to see in this article that humans still think that their meddling with systems they fundamentally do not understand will yield beneficial outcomes.
joshuahaglund 4y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/27/russia-international-anger-redfish-overfishing https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/27/russia-i... This article says we're overfishing redfish. I guess it's a different population but we're overfishing everything. The oceans need a break

22 points by Hooke 4y ago

Not that a HN’er would ever comment without reading the article, it’s important to note that the fish in the title is not the fish most commonly known in the US as Redfish, the Red Drum. Interestingly the Red Drum was fished very close to extinction starting in the early 80s due to a craze for a restaurant dish called Blackened Redfish.

jonstewart 4y ago

This is fascinating. Given the lifespan of redfish, my naive thought is that it makes sense to keep the fishery closed for at least that long—to develop multiple generations. But the success of the current generation is putting so much pressure on the ecosystem that culling it through fishing might be the best option. And yet, having an expected bycatch of 9% could put undue pressure on other species and threaten one with extinction. Meanwhile, the cod haven’t come back.

ggm 4y ago

Can live for 75 years, and appear to be growing back smaller as a species. Well.. if you harvest fish and prefer the bigger ones, Thats pretty much selection pressure on a plate right there.

sa46 4y ago

An opportunity arises for a Kafkaesque headline: "In Codd's Shadow, Redpanda Rises."

northstar702 4y ago
Are you referring to redpanda.com or something else?

tianqi 4y ago

It would be nice if such articles could identify the Latin name of the mentioned species. It's hard for me to know exactly what fish a "redfish" is. People all over the world call certain fish "red fish", like Americans call Sciaenops ocellatus redfish, while Chinese call Lutjanus erythropterus redfish, while they are actually completely different fish. In the other hand, the redfish in this article is called ocean perch in the US, although it is not a perch at all. Common names are confusing. Until now, I have not been completely sure what kind of fish the referred redfish is. If anyone knows its Latin name, please help me to know.

tianqi 4y ago
I did a search and guessed that the referred redfish is Sebastes mentella, but not sure.
steponlego 4y ago
You need Fishbase.

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Tiktaalik 4y ago

Remarkable to see in this article that humans still think that their meddling with systems they fundamentally do not understand will yield beneficial outcomes.

joshuahaglund 4y ago

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/27/russia-international-anger-redfish-overfishing https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/27/russia-i... This article says we're overfishing redfish. I guess it's a different population but we're overfishing everything. The oceans need a break