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I'm not going to wade into this flamewar but I will say one thing. Apple is what it says on the tin. It's a curated garden that mostly just works. At a certain

I'm not going to wade into this flamewar but I will say one thing. Apple is what it says on the tin. It's a curated garden that mostly just works. At a certain point in your life and your career you don't have weekends to spare on side projects and, especially in the tools that you use the most to interact with the Internet (phone, laptop) you want it to work the first time. I've flirted with Linux and for what it is, it's great, but I'm mostly done with hunting down drivers not working. Apple gives me my time back.

runarberg 4y ago
I got the Nokia G-100 about a month ago for less than 200 USD and it worked fine out of the box. In fact I would say it worked better out of the box then my partner’s iphone mini. My nokia has a headphone jack, it came with a charger with the correct ports etc. My partner on the other hand had to immediately purchase all the appropriate dongles and chords to fit the proprietary ports.
ajsnigrutin 4y ago
Apple works great if you use it to do the 6 things it supports natively and that's it. If you want to go outside the walled garden of apple, even windows is better. Old software, incompatible software, weird software? Nope. USB->rs232? Good luck finding that kext, but it just works on linux, and the cd in the box has the windows drivers. Some weird vpn setup? Good luck. Need a non standard hotspot setup with wpa enterprise? Good luck. So yes... if you just need a browser, sure,.... if you need anything more, as many people here do, then macs might not be the best or most flexible choice.
nextos 4y ago
> [...] hunting down drivers not working This sounds like a really outdated opinion about Linux. If you make a little effort selecting decently supported hardware, everything should work out of the box. I actually use Linux (NixOS) because for my particular usecases, maintenance burden is lower than macOS.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  You don't even need Linux to confirm this for yourself. Nix on Mac is a smoother package management experience than any of the Mac-native ones I've tried.
  - nextos 4y ago
    Sure, but NixOS goes one step further than Nix and also manages system packages. These include the kernel and kernel modules such as drivers, which was the OP's complaint.

runarberg 4y ago

I got the Nokia G-100 about a month ago for less than 200 USD and it worked fine out of the box. In fact I would say it worked better out of the box then my partner’s iphone mini. My nokia has a headphone jack, it came with a charger with the correct ports etc. My partner on the other hand had to immediately purchase all the appropriate dongles and chords to fit the proprietary ports.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago

Apple works great if you use it to do the 6 things it supports natively and that's it. If you want to go outside the walled garden of apple, even windows is better. Old software, incompatible software, weird software? Nope. USB->rs232? Good luck finding that kext, but it just works on linux, and the cd in the box has the windows drivers. Some weird vpn setup? Good luck. Need a non standard hotspot setup with wpa enterprise? Good luck. So yes... if you just need a browser, sure,.... if you need anything more, as many people here do, then macs might not be the best or most flexible choice.

nextos 4y ago

> [...] hunting down drivers not working This sounds like a really outdated opinion about Linux. If you make a little effort selecting decently supported hardware, everything should work out of the box. I actually use Linux (NixOS) because for my particular usecases, maintenance burden is lower than macOS.

smoldesu 4y ago
You don't even need Linux to confirm this for yourself. Nix on Mac is a smoother package management experience than any of the Mac-native ones I've tried.
- nextos 4y ago
  Sure, but NixOS goes one step further than Nix and also manages system packages. These include the kernel and kernel modules such as drivers, which was the OP's complaint.