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This article is omitting a lot of facts, like the multiple times Russia tried to implement coups in Moldova to bring Russian-aligned people to power.

by 323 4y ago

OrvalWintermute 4y ago
> The result was a frozen conflict, with pro-Moscow forces ruling Transnistria, a narrow strip of land in the east of Moldova that is home to many Russian speakers, for more than three decades. These folks aren't just Russian speaking, they are ethnic Russians that have been living there for hundreds of years. As Moldova vacillated between Russia and Romania, these people are caught in the middle.
- watwut 4y ago
  Ethinc minority being there does not entitle Russia to take land or try to impose own rule. If it did, only logical reaction would be to deport all Russians from everywhere abroad.
  - roundandround 4y ago
    These deported people would still be very dangerous for the states that deported them, perhaps even more so with grievances and a wrong that Russia could fix. Putin's paranoia is that other states reason like him and understand him as well as he thinks he understands them. Putin would engage in genocide in their position hence Ukraine was a Nazi state.
    - watwut 4y ago
      Not really. It does not matter what other states do as long ad it is not submission like from Belarus goverment. Ukraine invasion was not about Nazi and that talking point was abandoned long time ago. And it had zero to do with Russian speaking Ukrainians or Russian minority too.
      - roundandround 4y ago
        I don't really follow you. He hasn't needed a pretext to invade Ukraine for a year now. If he used it a lot in the context of Ukraine it might be harder to recycle in another country. I tend to think that he fell for his own propaganda orders as they came back given his very visible symptoms of long term steroid use and dementia. But it doesn't really matter what he fools himself with and what he knows is a lie.
        watwut 4y ago
        He did used that argument by the biggening of the war and stopped using it as it because apparent people generally do not believe it. That would be excuse. Putin and Russia recycle same excuses and points across countries all the time. It does not make it harder for them, they work around the same each time. I don't think there is much evidence of dementia or whatever. The rumors about Putin bad health are there constantly for years and none of them ended up confirmed.
- reducesuffering 4y ago
  Only 29% of Transnistria is Russian ethnicity. It doesn't give Moscow the right to foment war in any of its diaspora, including Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Kazakhstan, Georgia, etc.
  - notch898a 4y ago
    Honestly I get the impression Transnistria gives lots of bad people, or good people who just like to do illegal things, plausible deniability. Moldova could retake it easy enough, but why eliminate a great smuggling route and cash haven. It would be like the US and Mexico actually trying to snuff out the cartel areas, of course they're not going to do that when it's so profitable not to.
    - reducesuffering 4y ago
      > Moldova could retake it easy enough Well most of the world doesn't have the horrific Russian state mindset. To us civilized ones, disrupting the generally reasonable status quo to blow people up into submission is very wrong.
    - chasil 4y ago
      No, Transnistria could actually take Moldova. However, in the grand scheme, this would not be an efficient use of resources. "An upgrade to the virtually unarmed Moldovan military, which received its first Piranha armored vehicles from Germany a few weeks ago, is also on the table. "At present, the country could hardly defend itself even against the separatists in Transnistria, who probably have dozens of battle tanks and other heavy military equipment, along with the large stocks of ammunition. Ukraine has therefore offered to provide military assistance if Moscow and the separatists provoke a conflict. But any suggestion that Ukraine is planning a military intervention in Moldova is absurd and at best a pretext for the Kremlin to justify its belligerence. Ukraine can certainly do without committing its military resources to a second front."
  - Gibbon1 4y ago
    The suck thing is after the current war is done they'll all be forced to leave just like ethnic Germans got forced out of Eastern European countries after WWII.
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This article is omitting a lot of facts, like the multiple times Russia tried to implement coups in Moldova to bring Russian-aligned people to power.

by 323 4y ago

This article is omitting a lot of facts, like the multiple times Russia tried to implement coups in Moldova to bring Russian-aligned people to power.

OrvalWintermute 4y ago

> The result was a frozen conflict, with pro-Moscow forces ruling Transnistria, a narrow strip of land in the east of Moldova that is home to many Russian speakers, for more than three decades. These folks aren't just Russian speaking, they are ethnic Russians that have been living there for hundreds of years. As Moldova vacillated between Russia and Romania, these people are caught in the middle.

watwut 4y ago
Ethinc minority being there does not entitle Russia to take land or try to impose own rule. If it did, only logical reaction would be to deport all Russians from everywhere abroad.
- roundandround 4y ago
  These deported people would still be very dangerous for the states that deported them, perhaps even more so with grievances and a wrong that Russia could fix. Putin's paranoia is that other states reason like him and understand him as well as he thinks he understands them. Putin would engage in genocide in their position hence Ukraine was a Nazi state.
  - watwut 4y ago
    Not really. It does not matter what other states do as long ad it is not submission like from Belarus goverment. Ukraine invasion was not about Nazi and that talking point was abandoned long time ago. And it had zero to do with Russian speaking Ukrainians or Russian minority too.
    - roundandround 4y ago
      I don't really follow you. He hasn't needed a pretext to invade Ukraine for a year now. If he used it a lot in the context of Ukraine it might be harder to recycle in another country. I tend to think that he fell for his own propaganda orders as they came back given his very visible symptoms of long term steroid use and dementia. But it doesn't really matter what he fools himself with and what he knows is a lie.
      - watwut 4y ago
        He did used that argument by the biggening of the war and stopped using it as it because apparent people generally do not believe it. That would be excuse. Putin and Russia recycle same excuses and points across countries all the time. It does not make it harder for them, they work around the same each time. I don't think there is much evidence of dementia or whatever. The rumors about Putin bad health are there constantly for years and none of them ended up confirmed.
reducesuffering 4y ago
Only 29% of Transnistria is Russian ethnicity. It doesn't give Moscow the right to foment war in any of its diaspora, including Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Kazakhstan, Georgia, etc.
- notch898a 4y ago
  Honestly I get the impression Transnistria gives lots of bad people, or good people who just like to do illegal things, plausible deniability. Moldova could retake it easy enough, but why eliminate a great smuggling route and cash haven. It would be like the US and Mexico actually trying to snuff out the cartel areas, of course they're not going to do that when it's so profitable not to.
  - reducesuffering 4y ago
    > Moldova could retake it easy enough Well most of the world doesn't have the horrific Russian state mindset. To us civilized ones, disrupting the generally reasonable status quo to blow people up into submission is very wrong.
  - chasil 4y ago
    No, Transnistria could actually take Moldova. However, in the grand scheme, this would not be an efficient use of resources. "An upgrade to the virtually unarmed Moldovan military, which received its first Piranha armored vehicles from Germany a few weeks ago, is also on the table. "At present, the country could hardly defend itself even against the separatists in Transnistria, who probably have dozens of battle tanks and other heavy military equipment, along with the large stocks of ammunition. Ukraine has therefore offered to provide military assistance if Moscow and the separatists provoke a conflict. But any suggestion that Ukraine is planning a military intervention in Moldova is absurd and at best a pretext for the Kremlin to justify its belligerence. Ukraine can certainly do without committing its military resources to a second front."
- Gibbon1 4y ago
  The suck thing is after the current war is done they'll all be forced to leave just like ethnic Germans got forced out of Eastern European countries after WWII.
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