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I agree. If natural persons can form collectives, guilds, and unions why can't corporate persons do the same? This is, of course, assuming that there is no spec

I agree. If natural persons can form collectives, guilds, and unions why can't corporate persons do the same? This is, of course, assuming that there is no special grant or license issued by the government to engage in that form of work.

thomaslangston 15y ago
I don't believe corporate persons should have the same rights as natural persons and I'm not alone in that belief. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Commission#Criticisms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Elec...
- hncommenter13 15y ago
  1. This has nothing to do with the decision in Citizens United. This is about anti-trust regulation, which regulates collusive behavior, not speech. Any speech incidental to such a conspiracy (whether to rob a bank or fix wages in a labor market) is not protected anyway, whether it's an individual or a corporation speaking. 2. Please don't misrepresent the decision in Citizens United to make it stand for something which it does not. The holding in Citizens United was not that corporations == natural persons or that corporations have the same rights as natural persons. The holding was that that natural persons don't lose their rights to free speech (paid for with their own funds) because they join together into legal associations. Similar to how natural persons don't lose their 4th amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure or their 5th amendment protections against the government seizing their property when they form such associations.
tikhonj 15y ago
Basically, they can't do that because it would undermine the market. The entire point of the market is to allocate resources effectively; if its rules allow multiple players to collude in an effort to change the results, it stops being effective.
- joesb 15y ago
  So if a price of something is higher than what you want, you have to just live with it and can't form group with your friend to only buy from places that sell product at cheaper price?
  - rooshdi 15y ago
    Huh? I think you have things misunderstood. These executives are intentionally driving down the value of their employees and restricting their opportunities in what should be a free market. These are not products we're talking about, they're people..

thomaslangston 15y ago

I don't believe corporate persons should have the same rights as natural persons and I'm not alone in that belief. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Commission#Criticisms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Elec...

hncommenter13 15y ago
1. This has nothing to do with the decision in Citizens United. This is about anti-trust regulation, which regulates collusive behavior, not speech. Any speech incidental to such a conspiracy (whether to rob a bank or fix wages in a labor market) is not protected anyway, whether it's an individual or a corporation speaking. 2. Please don't misrepresent the decision in Citizens United to make it stand for something which it does not. The holding in Citizens United was not that corporations == natural persons or that corporations have the same rights as natural persons. The holding was that that natural persons don't lose their rights to free speech (paid for with their own funds) because they join together into legal associations. Similar to how natural persons don't lose their 4th amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure or their 5th amendment protections against the government seizing their property when they form such associations.

tikhonj 15y ago

Basically, they can't do that because it would undermine the market. The entire point of the market is to allocate resources effectively; if its rules allow multiple players to collude in an effort to change the results, it stops being effective.

joesb 15y ago
So if a price of something is higher than what you want, you have to just live with it and can't form group with your friend to only buy from places that sell product at cheaper price?
- rooshdi 15y ago
  Huh? I think you have things misunderstood. These executives are intentionally driving down the value of their employees and restricting their opportunities in what should be a free market. These are not products we're talking about, they're people..