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No one’s trolling buddy - “if there’s no fortified food in your pantry”. You literally have to supplement on the fad plant diets. Insanity that you’d recommend

No one’s trolling buddy - “if there’s no fortified food in your pantry”. You literally have to supplement on the fad plant diets. Insanity that you’d recommend this to people.

myshpa 4y ago
The animals get a lot of supplements. And not only the B12, but a lot of other stuff too ... like tons of antibiotics (approximately 80% of all the antibiotics sold in the U.S. are for use in animal agriculture.). That's not insanity? To see what minerals & vitamins we supplement, see https://www.hobbyfarms.com/livestock-nutrition-basics-vitamins-minerals/ https://www.hobbyfarms.com/livestock-nutrition-basics-vitami... (I'm no expert at this, this was the first page I've found). Veganism is not a fad diet. It's an upgrade.
- armatav 4y ago
  I'm not against taking supplements. But when you say it's an upgrade, how is it an upgrade if you need to take 50 supplements just to get relatively near meats baseline. It's not an upgrade at all, it's an inferior diet to our naturally occuring omnivore diet, not just that, but eating these soft plants (of which 50%+ of the diet is composed) will royally fuck up children's development (jaw/stature/cognition etc.). Do what nature commands of you, don't override it with shit the magic screen tells you to do. It's in your nature to be an omnivore, "upgrading" to cheap plants only is literally against the nature of man. Lab meat or animal meat is the only choice people should need to worry about, if they so choose - and of those, animal meat is the superior choice.
  - myshpa 4y ago
    > if you need to take 50 supplements lie > naturally occuring omnivore diet we don't need to eat meat/dairy in 21st century to be healthy. natural is messy and cruel and stupid. we're (almost) beyond that > eating these soft plants ... will royally fuck up children's development lie ... well planned plant-based diet is enough (and healthier) for everybody, see my other comment > do what nature commands of you ... the magic screen tells you to do i (try to) do what what is best for me and others and for the environment. not what 20000+ years ago somebody did or "some screen" says don't repeat what's always been done without thinking about it. we need to move forward, not to stay stagnant in the ways of the past. there are no more mammoths to eat to extinction. we don't need to continue with the destruction forever, just because we always did > "upgrading" to cheap plants only is literally against the nature of man kindness and love is what should be in our future, not cruelty, wars and crushed skulls btw, cheap plants? where's that coming from? what's wrong with that? we could stop destroying the earth and reforest grazing lands, storing carbon in new forests, increasing carbon sinks, stopping wild life extinction and poisoning of the earth and waters, if only we'd stop being selfish and switched to plant based > Lab meat or animal meat is the only choice people should need to worry about maybe, but it may take decades until we'll have that choice. we may f**k up the earth with animal agriculture long before that > animal meat is the superior choice because it has suffering and death and stress and endotoxins and antibiotics inside? because it needs 10-100x more land than plants, which have everything we need? sure, believe what you want
    - armatav 4y ago
      Like talking to a wall. Make your choices, suffer the consequences.
      - myshpa 4y ago
        > Like talking to a wall. I too welcome end of this debate, thank you for participating :) If I may, try to back up your claims with sources next time. Maybe you'll have trouble finding any, but don't give up. > Make your choices, suffer the consequences. I'm trying to be the only one who suffers consequences of my choices. Choices of carnists make the world worse for everyone. And my consequences after many years living a strict version of that "diet"? Never been healthier, thank you for asking ;) TLDR: You're wrong and you know it. All carnists do. Deep down. I was one, I know.
        armatav 4y ago
        “Carnists” lmao Get a therapist
        myshpa 4y ago
        I already have one. Meet my psychologist, Melanie Joy, Ph.D., Ed.M., a Harvard-educated psychologist, professor of psychology and sociology at the University of Massachusetts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0VrZPBskpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0VrZPBskpg (Toward Rational, Authentic Food Choices | Melanie Joy | TEDxMünchen) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GHy6Cfh4sk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GHy6Cfh4sk (What to Say to Vegans | Melanie Joy)
        armatav 4y ago
        Her work speaks for itself. Ciao

No one’s trolling buddy - “if there’s no fortified food in your pantry”. You literally have to supplement on the fad plant diets. Insanity that you’d recommend this to people.

myshpa 4y ago

The animals get a lot of supplements. And not only the B12, but a lot of other stuff too ... like tons of antibiotics (approximately 80% of all the antibiotics sold in the U.S. are for use in animal agriculture.). That's not insanity? To see what minerals & vitamins we supplement, see https://www.hobbyfarms.com/livestock-nutrition-basics-vitamins-minerals/ https://www.hobbyfarms.com/livestock-nutrition-basics-vitami... (I'm no expert at this, this was the first page I've found). Veganism is not a fad diet. It's an upgrade.

armatav 4y ago
I'm not against taking supplements. But when you say it's an upgrade, how is it an upgrade if you need to take 50 supplements just to get relatively near meats baseline. It's not an upgrade at all, it's an inferior diet to our naturally occuring omnivore diet, not just that, but eating these soft plants (of which 50%+ of the diet is composed) will royally fuck up children's development (jaw/stature/cognition etc.). Do what nature commands of you, don't override it with shit the magic screen tells you to do. It's in your nature to be an omnivore, "upgrading" to cheap plants only is literally against the nature of man. Lab meat or animal meat is the only choice people should need to worry about, if they so choose - and of those, animal meat is the superior choice.
- myshpa 4y ago
  > if you need to take 50 supplements lie > naturally occuring omnivore diet we don't need to eat meat/dairy in 21st century to be healthy. natural is messy and cruel and stupid. we're (almost) beyond that > eating these soft plants ... will royally fuck up children's development lie ... well planned plant-based diet is enough (and healthier) for everybody, see my other comment > do what nature commands of you ... the magic screen tells you to do i (try to) do what what is best for me and others and for the environment. not what 20000+ years ago somebody did or "some screen" says don't repeat what's always been done without thinking about it. we need to move forward, not to stay stagnant in the ways of the past. there are no more mammoths to eat to extinction. we don't need to continue with the destruction forever, just because we always did > "upgrading" to cheap plants only is literally against the nature of man kindness and love is what should be in our future, not cruelty, wars and crushed skulls btw, cheap plants? where's that coming from? what's wrong with that? we could stop destroying the earth and reforest grazing lands, storing carbon in new forests, increasing carbon sinks, stopping wild life extinction and poisoning of the earth and waters, if only we'd stop being selfish and switched to plant based > Lab meat or animal meat is the only choice people should need to worry about maybe, but it may take decades until we'll have that choice. we may f**k up the earth with animal agriculture long before that > animal meat is the superior choice because it has suffering and death and stress and endotoxins and antibiotics inside? because it needs 10-100x more land than plants, which have everything we need? sure, believe what you want
  - armatav 4y ago
    Like talking to a wall. Make your choices, suffer the consequences.
    - myshpa 4y ago
      > Like talking to a wall. I too welcome end of this debate, thank you for participating :) If I may, try to back up your claims with sources next time. Maybe you'll have trouble finding any, but don't give up. > Make your choices, suffer the consequences. I'm trying to be the only one who suffers consequences of my choices. Choices of carnists make the world worse for everyone. And my consequences after many years living a strict version of that "diet"? Never been healthier, thank you for asking ;) TLDR: You're wrong and you know it. All carnists do. Deep down. I was one, I know.
      - armatav 4y ago
        “Carnists” lmao Get a therapist
        myshpa 4y ago
        I already have one. Meet my psychologist, Melanie Joy, Ph.D., Ed.M., a Harvard-educated psychologist, professor of psychology and sociology at the University of Massachusetts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0VrZPBskpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0VrZPBskpg (Toward Rational, Authentic Food Choices | Melanie Joy | TEDxMünchen) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GHy6Cfh4sk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GHy6Cfh4sk (What to Say to Vegans | Melanie Joy)
        armatav 4y ago
        Her work speaks for itself. Ciao