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Like screen recording. Popular Wayland native apps not dependant on Xorg. Wine working on Wayland. Tangible benefits of switching to Wayland. And by those, I d

Like screen recording. Popular Wayland native apps not dependant on Xorg. Wine working on Wayland. Tangible benefits of switching to Wayland. And by those, I don't mean "no screen tearing", since it practically did not exist on most desktop environments with half-decent compositors.

kaba0 4y ago
Screen recording works, even with OBS studio. What popular wayland native app is dependent on xorg? > half-decent compositors. At which point there was no point of X11 middle-maning between the compositor and apps -> tada Wayland it is. Also, screen tearing is a bigger issue on bigger resolution higher refresh rate monitors, hardware just grew up to 1080@60fps.
- GauntletWizard 4y ago
  There's a ton of apps that are not Wayland native at all yet, and plenty that never will be because of the dubious security benefits. Chrome, for an example. Firefox isn't much better.
  - kaba0 4y ago
    Chrome is as wayland native as xorg native it is. It has backends for both. The same is true for Firefox. And no one ever said that every program will have to move to Wayland, XWayland was created specifically for legacy applications to be usable that won’t port over. (Though their number is limited, since most applications use a framework like gtk/qt/electron whatever and all of those natively support wayland without changing the programs).
edent 4y ago
I run Wayland using PopOS. I can record screens and run WINE apps. I have a cheap laptop and it works just fine. Wayland means - for me - no fiddling with text files if I want an external monitor, roatated, with a weird resolution.
vlovich123 4y ago
I run X11 as my daily driver in a 3 monitor setup and I regularly see tearing scrolling on a page in Kwin which I think qualifies as a half decent compositor, right?
- josefx 4y ago
  You can use kwin with compositing disabled or by setting some obscure tripple buffering flag in its configuration. As far as I understand it had sync issues even on single monitor setups until relatively recently because it did not try to sync at all and instead just refreshed everything based on an internal timer.
  - vlovich123 4y ago
    Recently as in Debian? Or recently as in not in Arch yet? For what it’s worth didn’t matter compositing is on or not.
    - josefx 4y ago
      I found it mentioned in a ticket from 2020, so basically Debian recent. To be honest the situations where I needed tearing free output on multiple displays I usually ended up configuring separate X screens.

kaba0 4y ago

Screen recording works, even with OBS studio. What popular wayland native app is dependent on xorg? > half-decent compositors. At which point there was no point of X11 middle-maning between the compositor and apps -> tada Wayland it is. Also, screen tearing is a bigger issue on bigger resolution higher refresh rate monitors, hardware just grew up to 1080@60fps.

GauntletWizard 4y ago
There's a ton of apps that are not Wayland native at all yet, and plenty that never will be because of the dubious security benefits. Chrome, for an example. Firefox isn't much better.
- kaba0 4y ago
  Chrome is as wayland native as xorg native it is. It has backends for both. The same is true for Firefox. And no one ever said that every program will have to move to Wayland, XWayland was created specifically for legacy applications to be usable that won’t port over. (Though their number is limited, since most applications use a framework like gtk/qt/electron whatever and all of those natively support wayland without changing the programs).

edent 4y ago

I run Wayland using PopOS. I can record screens and run WINE apps. I have a cheap laptop and it works just fine. Wayland means - for me - no fiddling with text files if I want an external monitor, roatated, with a weird resolution.

vlovich123 4y ago

I run X11 as my daily driver in a 3 monitor setup and I regularly see tearing scrolling on a page in Kwin which I think qualifies as a half decent compositor, right?

josefx 4y ago
You can use kwin with compositing disabled or by setting some obscure tripple buffering flag in its configuration. As far as I understand it had sync issues even on single monitor setups until relatively recently because it did not try to sync at all and instead just refreshed everything based on an internal timer.
- vlovich123 4y ago
  Recently as in Debian? Or recently as in not in Arch yet? For what it’s worth didn’t matter compositing is on or not.
  - josefx 4y ago
    I found it mentioned in a ticket from 2020, so basically Debian recent. To be honest the situations where I needed tearing free output on multiple displays I usually ended up configuring separate X screens.