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I’m very concerned about or supply chain issues as the article mentions. Moving huge portions of our manufacturing to China has made us incredibly vulnerable. I

I’m very concerned about or supply chain issues as the article mentions. Moving huge portions of our manufacturing to China has made us incredibly vulnerable. I imagine that’s why Russia and China are ratcheting up now

steponlego 4y ago
Without Asian electronics components, alloys, etc. we couldn't build an electric combat pickle domestically here in the US.
- dragontamer 4y ago
  Asian components are fine from a foreign policy perspective. Japan, Korea, Taiwan are allies and I don't see any reasonable future where that's threatened. The main issue is that Taiwan is directly threatened by military action by China. Even if Taiwan remains friendly with us, a war in that region would cut off our supply of chips.
  - steponlego 4y ago
    I disagree, some kind of looming Chinese naval adventure could cut us off as quick as you like.
lgvln 4y ago
I'm going to have to ask: ... made us incredibly vulnerable to what? Losing our status as the most powerful nation? Impacting the livelihoods of our most vulnerable and in-need (citizens)?
brianwawok 4y ago
But who wants to work in factories as production grunts? The jobs are pretty terrible. We need robot powered factories that require 1/10th or less the manpower of a normal factory. Then the extra cost of US wages matters less, and with the rising cost of shipping - it’s now both quicker and cheaper to build in the US.
- dragontamer 4y ago
  > We need robot powered factories that require 1/10th or less the manpower of a normal factory. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfbdVboVNUM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfbdVboVNUM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nah4BQ9y8IY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nah4BQ9y8IY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXkEjbZtNic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXkEjbZtNic Do you know how a modern factory works?
  - brianwawok 4y ago
    In fact I can walk down the street and walk into them. None of them look like that. There are tons of crappy grunt jobs still in the factories America has left. Outside of a few industries, it's there isn't margin to do that.
- yucky 4y ago
  So those people all work at Walmart and McDonalds now instead? And as others have pointed out, our factories are heavily automated but you still need humans.
- hindsightbias 4y ago
  Perfect stuxnet target. We need a draft for technical trades. Not like they’re doing anything else.
- t-3 4y ago
  > The jobs are pretty terrible. Not really? Factory work is hard, but generally pays well and has consistent long term demand (aka job security). Machining is skilled labor and paid like it, and factories that work with metal are far cleaner than others. Ironically, the dirtiest and most hazardous factory I've seen/worked in was a laundry soap factory, hands down. Nobody making parts that require consistent quality can just not give a fuck like that or depend on a pipeline of disposable desperate temp workers for production.

steponlego 4y ago

Without Asian electronics components, alloys, etc. we couldn't build an electric combat pickle domestically here in the US.

dragontamer 4y ago
Asian components are fine from a foreign policy perspective. Japan, Korea, Taiwan are allies and I don't see any reasonable future where that's threatened. The main issue is that Taiwan is directly threatened by military action by China. Even if Taiwan remains friendly with us, a war in that region would cut off our supply of chips.
- steponlego 4y ago
  I disagree, some kind of looming Chinese naval adventure could cut us off as quick as you like.

lgvln 4y ago

I'm going to have to ask: ... made us incredibly vulnerable to what? Losing our status as the most powerful nation? Impacting the livelihoods of our most vulnerable and in-need (citizens)?

brianwawok 4y ago

But who wants to work in factories as production grunts? The jobs are pretty terrible. We need robot powered factories that require 1/10th or less the manpower of a normal factory. Then the extra cost of US wages matters less, and with the rising cost of shipping - it’s now both quicker and cheaper to build in the US.

dragontamer 4y ago
> We need robot powered factories that require 1/10th or less the manpower of a normal factory. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfbdVboVNUM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfbdVboVNUM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nah4BQ9y8IY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nah4BQ9y8IY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXkEjbZtNic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXkEjbZtNic Do you know how a modern factory works?
- brianwawok 4y ago
  In fact I can walk down the street and walk into them. None of them look like that. There are tons of crappy grunt jobs still in the factories America has left. Outside of a few industries, it's there isn't margin to do that.
yucky 4y ago
So those people all work at Walmart and McDonalds now instead? And as others have pointed out, our factories are heavily automated but you still need humans.
hindsightbias 4y ago
Perfect stuxnet target. We need a draft for technical trades. Not like they’re doing anything else.
t-3 4y ago
> The jobs are pretty terrible. Not really? Factory work is hard, but generally pays well and has consistent long term demand (aka job security). Machining is skilled labor and paid like it, and factories that work with metal are far cleaner than others. Ironically, the dirtiest and most hazardous factory I've seen/worked in was a laundry soap factory, hands down. Nobody making parts that require consistent quality can just not give a fuck like that or depend on a pipeline of disposable desperate temp workers for production.