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>Basics of networking, how installation of programs happens, how to use the command line, that kind of thing. um yea thats my job dude and i fought for it so o

>Basics of networking, how installation of programs happens, how to use the command line, that kind of thing. um yea thats my job dude and i fought for it so other people should too these people waltzing in not knowing shot should not get into CS

CodexArcana 4y ago
There are a lot of students interested in CS who have very limited access to a computer. Most kids these days get a locked down ipad or Chromebook at school, and Windows' footprint in schools has massively shrunk over the years. It's not like how it was when I was growing up. We spent $2000 on a Gateway PC that I had full admin access to, and unfiltered internet. Now that kind of money is being spent on cellphones in the household. Because I had that kind of access I was bricking the OS (and reinstalling it), Mailbombing people's AOL inboxes, putting Sub7 on Kaza and Limewire and remotely messing with peoples computers. The computers at school were only networked my senior year. Even then they were basically wide open. Me and my friends effectively operated a screwdriver shop out of whoever's house we happened to be at. We were trying to host game servers on whatever we could cobble together. None of our families had cellphones because they were still only used by businessmen. Computing priorities were way different and how you were exposed to them was different as a result. None of those opportunities are anywhere near as common now. Kids get devices in schools but they're basically bricks that log everything you do. Computer Labs are rare and their access is fully locked down. Most students first personal computing device is a cellphone, and more likely than not it's an iPhone. All phones are super locked down but apple's even more so. The market has changed. The days of open computing are now relegated to the back of the line or for those who can afford it. So it's no wonder a class like this exists. We see similar issues in middle school where students don't understand what folders are or where their files are stored. Phones and tablets make it so easy you never have to think about it. This also extends to collage as well.
- rejectfinite 4y ago
  >that kind of money is being spent on cellphones in the household Okay then dont.
ClumsyPilot 4y ago
One of those cases that some people are so unreasonable, you can't tell what's sarcas m
- ghaff 4y ago
  I sort of get that, in this day and age, it would probably seem a bit unusual for someone to show up at Stanford or MIT and be like "I've only ever used a computer to play video games but I think I'll major in CS." On the other hand, I also don't think programming had to be an all-consuming passion for the past 10 years as some seem to deeply believe.
  - analog31 4y ago
    I think there actually may be some of this. Both of my kids are in college right now, but I knew a lot of high school kids and their parents through the extracurriculars that my kids were involved in. The kids knew what the "hot" college majors were, including CS. But they also knew the precise formula for college entrance, and were laser focused on getting into an "elite" school. Any activity that didn't contribute to that process was eschewed.
- rejectfinite 4y ago
  I'm not sarcastic.

CodexArcana 4y ago

There are a lot of students interested in CS who have very limited access to a computer. Most kids these days get a locked down ipad or Chromebook at school, and Windows' footprint in schools has massively shrunk over the years. It's not like how it was when I was growing up. We spent $2000 on a Gateway PC that I had full admin access to, and unfiltered internet. Now that kind of money is being spent on cellphones in the household. Because I had that kind of access I was bricking the OS (and reinstalling it), Mailbombing people's AOL inboxes, putting Sub7 on Kaza and Limewire and remotely messing with peoples computers. The computers at school were only networked my senior year. Even then they were basically wide open. Me and my friends effectively operated a screwdriver shop out of whoever's house we happened to be at. We were trying to host game servers on whatever we could cobble together. None of our families had cellphones because they were still only used by businessmen. Computing priorities were way different and how you were exposed to them was different as a result. None of those opportunities are anywhere near as common now. Kids get devices in schools but they're basically bricks that log everything you do. Computer Labs are rare and their access is fully locked down. Most students first personal computing device is a cellphone, and more likely than not it's an iPhone. All phones are super locked down but apple's even more so. The market has changed. The days of open computing are now relegated to the back of the line or for those who can afford it. So it's no wonder a class like this exists. We see similar issues in middle school where students don't understand what folders are or where their files are stored. Phones and tablets make it so easy you never have to think about it. This also extends to collage as well.

rejectfinite 4y ago
>that kind of money is being spent on cellphones in the household Okay then dont.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

One of those cases that some people are so unreasonable, you can't tell what's sarcas m

ghaff 4y ago
I sort of get that, in this day and age, it would probably seem a bit unusual for someone to show up at Stanford or MIT and be like "I've only ever used a computer to play video games but I think I'll major in CS." On the other hand, I also don't think programming had to be an all-consuming passion for the past 10 years as some seem to deeply believe.
- analog31 4y ago
  I think there actually may be some of this. Both of my kids are in college right now, but I knew a lot of high school kids and their parents through the extracurriculars that my kids were involved in. The kids knew what the "hot" college majors were, including CS. But they also knew the precise formula for college entrance, and were laser focused on getting into an "elite" school. Any activity that didn't contribute to that process was eschewed.
rejectfinite 4y ago
I'm not sarcastic.