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Is there anything that’s made better for the enterprise market? Network switches and wifi access points come to mind, and that’s it?

lwkl 4y ago
Laptops for the enterprise markets are better for the enterprise market. They are often relatively easy to repair (at least for the most common repairs). They offer 5 years and longer warranty contracts with on-site repairs. They offer driver and software package for automated deployments and more. Most of these things are not important for the consumer market but very important for the enterprise market. There isn't a product that is the perfect fit for all markets.
Spooky23 4y ago
Lwkl summed it up well. A great example is an HP z laptop - good build quality, sort of the equivalent to an old T series thinkpad. With two Phillips screwdrivers, you can disassemble and replace most parts within 15m. When I did this work, the other key thing was OEMs would guarantee image/driver compatibility for 4 years. I don’t think they do that anymore, but the hardware is very stable - consumer PC hardware will often have variance based on cost and supply chain. Enterprise doesn’t want surprises and cares about total cost. So keeping it boring and predictable rules the day. Depending on scale, repairs are important because at some point it’s much cheaper pay for service by the drink vs warranty.
- lostlogin 4y ago
  > A great example is an HP z laptop - good build quality, sort of the equivalent to an old T series thinkpad. Last year I abandoned a low spec z laptop day one of getting given it at work. The trackpad alone was so poor that the laptop wasn’t usable without a mouse. I am a longtime Mac user but I don’t think I was being snobby or difficult. I use a MacBook and have windows in a VM when needed.
  - Spooky23 4y ago
    That’s a great point. I’m always baffled by touchpads… does apple have some secret formula? Their touchpads are consistently excellent. Other vendors vary dramatically, even between models.
    - theshrike79 4y ago
      It's the magic sauce of software and hardware integration. Also the hardware is just bonkers. I thought for the longest time that the whole trackpad clicked when you pressed down on it. Nope, it's just a taptic engine hidden in there. If you turn off the haptic click, it's just a flat pane of glass. Then there's the palm detection, I've used Macbooks for almost a decade for work and I can't remember when was the last time I had a misclick on the trackpad when I was typing. I did have a ton of issues with Dell and Lenovo laptops. On Lenovos I just used the red nub and disabled the touchpad from BIOS =)

lwkl 4y ago

Laptops for the enterprise markets are better for the enterprise market. They are often relatively easy to repair (at least for the most common repairs). They offer 5 years and longer warranty contracts with on-site repairs. They offer driver and software package for automated deployments and more. Most of these things are not important for the consumer market but very important for the enterprise market. There isn't a product that is the perfect fit for all markets.

Spooky23 4y ago

Lwkl summed it up well. A great example is an HP z laptop - good build quality, sort of the equivalent to an old T series thinkpad. With two Phillips screwdrivers, you can disassemble and replace most parts within 15m. When I did this work, the other key thing was OEMs would guarantee image/driver compatibility for 4 years. I don’t think they do that anymore, but the hardware is very stable - consumer PC hardware will often have variance based on cost and supply chain. Enterprise doesn’t want surprises and cares about total cost. So keeping it boring and predictable rules the day. Depending on scale, repairs are important because at some point it’s much cheaper pay for service by the drink vs warranty.

lostlogin 4y ago
> A great example is an HP z laptop - good build quality, sort of the equivalent to an old T series thinkpad. Last year I abandoned a low spec z laptop day one of getting given it at work. The trackpad alone was so poor that the laptop wasn’t usable without a mouse. I am a longtime Mac user but I don’t think I was being snobby or difficult. I use a MacBook and have windows in a VM when needed.
- Spooky23 4y ago
  That’s a great point. I’m always baffled by touchpads… does apple have some secret formula? Their touchpads are consistently excellent. Other vendors vary dramatically, even between models.
  - theshrike79 4y ago
    It's the magic sauce of software and hardware integration. Also the hardware is just bonkers. I thought for the longest time that the whole trackpad clicked when you pressed down on it. Nope, it's just a taptic engine hidden in there. If you turn off the haptic click, it's just a flat pane of glass. Then there's the palm detection, I've used Macbooks for almost a decade for work and I can't remember when was the last time I had a misclick on the trackpad when I was typing. I did have a ton of issues with Dell and Lenovo laptops. On Lenovos I just used the red nub and disabled the touchpad from BIOS =)