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The Fediverse is not dead and has existed long before Mastodon. People do not call IRC the Fediverse but for all intents and purposes it is one. It just work
by LinuxBender 4y ago
The Fediverse is not dead and has existed long before Mastodon. People do not call IRC the Fediverse but for all intents and purposes it is one. It just works a little differently. The bigger IRC networks are comprised of many servers linked together but owned by different organizations, companies, individual people and so on. Rather than joining an instance, they are all joined manually and one instead joins or creates a channel. Some IRC networks will let people register their channels with IRC services. People can run their own instances but the bar to entry for linking a server is a little higher and each server owner must abide by some global rules. Each IRC network or sets of interconnected IRC servers may have different rules and guidelines so this is where there is more similarity to Mastodon.
The difference with IRC is that when one agrees to the global terms of the particular network they are joining, there are global network operators and admins that can ban bad behavior network wide. This is a middle ground between one centralized service like Twitter and the completely decentralized concept of Mastodon. There is still drama and bad actors but I would suggest far less than what one gets when each instance can have it's own rules or lack thereof. When a person is repeatedly violating the global rules they will be globally banned on that specific IRC network. They can go join another one and repeat the process.
Anyone can create their own IRC network and have their own global rules and connect their servers to their friends servers. There are small IRC networks, some are public and some are private.
Based on all the discussions I have seen on HN about Mastodon, I believe that the lack of a concept of global operators and admins is the missing piece that encourages bad actors to poison the well. The bad actors will find the instances that lack moderation and the human moderation delay will make the entire network look bad. This is not even counting the trolls that intentionally post illegal things and then instruct search engines, archive.org, archive.ph and other archive sites to mirror the content so they can get the domains and servers cancelled. To add more clarrification around my comment, this is not so much about the technology yes IRC lacks a web interface by default and must be bolted on but rather about the concept of global admins and moderators. People can block a specific instance but that is just and endless game of whack-a-mole and does not solve the root cause of the issues.
- NoraCodes 4y ago> The Fediverse [...] has existed long before Mastodon. Yes, 100% agreed - I spend the first section talking about just that. Ultimately I think that IRC-like networks might be a really interesting social form to explore via smaller federations of ActivityPub software. It's not something I'd want to start or run (and huge shoutout to IRC ops, it's not an easy job) but I'd love to see what such a thing looks like in the world of microblogging.
- LinuxBender 4y agoI think the global moderator concept could be applied to microblogging and all the other ActivityPub software. It's just a matter of people trusting those they link to enough to assist with zapping bad content when they are asleep or busy. There should also be a fully automated validation mechanism in place to verify that at least global moderator trust is working vs full admin otherwise the instance out of compliance must be automatically isolated from the network ring of trust after a couple automated warnings that cause a banner to display on the rogue instance.