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> When there was no immigration during Covid salaries from people rose Source? I’m not aware wages on average increased during the pandemic. To the rest of yo

> When there was no immigration during Covid salaries from people rose Source? I’m not aware wages on average increased during the pandemic. To the rest of your comment, it seems to be incorrect: https://insidestory.org.au/does-immigration-mean-lower-wages/ https://insidestory.org.au/does-immigration-mean-lower-wages...

sumedh 4y ago
> I’m not aware wages on average increased during the pandemic. Did you switch jobs during Covid? Talk to your friends and colleagues who switched jobs and then get back to me. Before you link any random website, you have to figure out what is their agenda. There is lot of propaganda. These so called studies claim that immigration does not hurt wages, then you have to look into who is sponsoring these studies. Lot of times its some industry lobby group who wants to lobby for more immigration to suppress wages funds these studies to get the conclusion they want. If you trust such studies you should also trust that cigarettes are good for you because cigarette companies paid scientists in the past to conduct studies to show doctors recommend cigarettes. Don't fall for such propaganda again or try running a business where you have to hire employees.
- tallytarik 4y ago
  > Talk to your friends and colleagues who switched jobs and then get back to me. They increased their salary! Did you know that lots of other people didn't change jobs during the pandemic? In fact, some people even lost their jobs! And lots of others kept the same job at the same salary (while inflation increased). From 14 March to 3 October 2020, for example, the ABS reported that wages were down -3.3% (and would be much lower if you excluded JobKeeper payments)[1]. We're on a tech website, so if you had scoped your comment to "tech workers salaries rose on average", I would probably agree. Do remember that the world doesn't consist entirely of tech workers. > There is lot of propaganda. This is certainly true. But given you didn't provide any of your own sources to back up anything you're saying, some might think you're using accusations of "propaganda" as a simple means to disagree with something you don't like. [1] https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp2021/COVID-19-Stat_Snapshot https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Depart...
  - sumedh 4y ago
    > Do remember that the world doesn't consist entirely of tech workers. > But given you didn't provide any of your own sources to back up anything you're saying, https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2022/jun/job-mobility-in-australia-during-the-covid-19-pandemic.html https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2022/jun/job-mo...
    - tallytarik 4y ago
      Could you explain how that supports the point you first made? My reading is that it says more people changed jobs than usual, and noted that changing jobs often leads to higher wages (in case I wasn't clear before - I agree!) It makes no comment about immigration or a significant increase in wages during the pandemic (whether or not related to immigration), which I understand is your argument. Wage growth in fact dropped significantly in the first year of the pandemic[1], before rising to its highest level in 10 years just recently - coincidentally(?) a year after we opened back up and our migrant arrivals increased significantly[2]. [1] https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/economy/price-indexes-and-inflation/wage-price-index-australia/latest-release https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/economy/price-indexes-and-... [2] https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/overseas-migration/latest-release https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/overseas...
      - defrost 4y ago
        Both of you dueling statistics re: Au might be interested the latest quarter figures, characterised by the ABC as: Profits again outstrip wages amid accusations 'corporate Australia is driving inflation' https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-27/wages-rise-but-profits-boom-abs-december-2022/102028990 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-27/wages-rise-but-profit... (I have no position, just throwing grist to the mill)

sumedh 4y ago

> I’m not aware wages on average increased during the pandemic. Did you switch jobs during Covid? Talk to your friends and colleagues who switched jobs and then get back to me. Before you link any random website, you have to figure out what is their agenda. There is lot of propaganda. These so called studies claim that immigration does not hurt wages, then you have to look into who is sponsoring these studies. Lot of times its some industry lobby group who wants to lobby for more immigration to suppress wages funds these studies to get the conclusion they want. If you trust such studies you should also trust that cigarettes are good for you because cigarette companies paid scientists in the past to conduct studies to show doctors recommend cigarettes. Don't fall for such propaganda again or try running a business where you have to hire employees.

tallytarik 4y ago
> Talk to your friends and colleagues who switched jobs and then get back to me. They increased their salary! Did you know that lots of other people didn't change jobs during the pandemic? In fact, some people even lost their jobs! And lots of others kept the same job at the same salary (while inflation increased). From 14 March to 3 October 2020, for example, the ABS reported that wages were down -3.3% (and would be much lower if you excluded JobKeeper payments)[1]. We're on a tech website, so if you had scoped your comment to "tech workers salaries rose on average", I would probably agree. Do remember that the world doesn't consist entirely of tech workers. > There is lot of propaganda. This is certainly true. But given you didn't provide any of your own sources to back up anything you're saying, some might think you're using accusations of "propaganda" as a simple means to disagree with something you don't like. [1] https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp2021/COVID-19-Stat_Snapshot https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Depart...
- sumedh 4y ago
  > Do remember that the world doesn't consist entirely of tech workers. > But given you didn't provide any of your own sources to back up anything you're saying, https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2022/jun/job-mobility-in-australia-during-the-covid-19-pandemic.html https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2022/jun/job-mo...
  - tallytarik 4y ago
    Could you explain how that supports the point you first made? My reading is that it says more people changed jobs than usual, and noted that changing jobs often leads to higher wages (in case I wasn't clear before - I agree!) It makes no comment about immigration or a significant increase in wages during the pandemic (whether or not related to immigration), which I understand is your argument. Wage growth in fact dropped significantly in the first year of the pandemic[1], before rising to its highest level in 10 years just recently - coincidentally(?) a year after we opened back up and our migrant arrivals increased significantly[2]. [1] https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/economy/price-indexes-and-inflation/wage-price-index-australia/latest-release https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/economy/price-indexes-and-... [2] https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/overseas-migration/latest-release https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/overseas...
    - defrost 4y ago
      Both of you dueling statistics re: Au might be interested the latest quarter figures, characterised by the ABC as: Profits again outstrip wages amid accusations 'corporate Australia is driving inflation' https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-27/wages-rise-but-profits-boom-abs-december-2022/102028990 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-27/wages-rise-but-profit... (I have no position, just throwing grist to the mill)