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Article details: he was suspended for saying that, was told that he would be "allowed to return if he recanted" - then went back to school without recanting and

Article details: he was suspended for saying that, was told that he would be "allowed to return if he recanted" - then went back to school without recanting and got arrested for trespassing. The school is Catholic but publicly funded, he was arrested specifically for trespassing for "returning without permission". This is a real life thing that happened, not fake news, not a fake headline, and no reason to flag or censor. Not at all my intention to mislead anyone. I do not believe it is appropriate to simply hide this because it is inconvenient to ones politics. It needs to be discussed. Banishing children from high school for wrong think is to me, outrageous. Suppressing mention of it is out right dystopian. Do not do this.

aquarium87 4y ago
Yes, but he outted himself as a hateful bigot. There is no more despicable person in the world. What to do?
- popcalc 4y ago
  I agree, it's time to lock these people up.
  - recuter 4y ago
    > I agree, it's time to lock these people up. To be clear you are arguing for jailing a high schooler for saying there are only two genders?
    - aquarium87 4y ago
      Yes. Absolutely. Why not get it over with now and debate it now? That is the end result of where society is going, but "the powers that be" don't want it to happen to fast. Like right now. Or the plan might get ruined. Canada is ripe picking for denialism laws and hate speech laws as Canadians don't actually have a right to free speech. But only if they can be brought in slowly and quietly. So yeah, throw the book at the kid. I'm sure he wants it, he picked this fight. Remember, what's the best defense? Offense. This kid is a hero. He's not playing D. He's on the offensive, and Canadians should take note.
- darthrupert 4y ago
  Saying "there are two genders" does not make anyone a hateful bigot.
  - aquarium87 4y ago
    Not sure where you have been. Transgender people are the most oppressed people on the planet. Even their body rejects them. If able bodied, cis hetero conformists don't understand this, they are bigots. If able bodied, cis hetero conformists don't accept live saving affirmative language, they are hateful and want transgender people to die. It's all pretty clear isn't it? :)
    - darthrupert 4y ago
      > It's all pretty clear isn't it? :) No, not really. The situation is very confusing, frankly. Where did this come from, where is it going? WHO estimates that the prevalence of trans people is around 0,01%. How does that track with the local school here, where every 10th girl is saying they're gender-fluid or trans? When I was young (1990s), nobody was trans. Perhaps they did not dare to be, I don't know. The numbers and prevalence don't make sense to me. If this is a growing thing (i.e. people are becoming trans who would not have otherwise), this is definitely not a good thing. Being trans is an individual tragedy (i.e. it makes the life a whole lot more difficult -- even in a society that would 100% accept it), and if it's possible to prevent that tragedy happening, we should work towards such an outcome. I don't mean conversion therapy, that's obviously bullshit. I mean regular psychological healthcare and safety, and research to the causes of the phenomenon. That's not to say that existing trans people shouldn't have human rights. They obviously deserve the same rights that we all have, and if they want to be called in a different pronoun that we would instinctively call them, it would be just extremely impolite not to do that -- or indeed as you say, encouraging suicide.
raidicy 4y ago
This is run of the mill school procedure though. At least in the US. In my high-school ,circa 2008, the same rule would and has been applied to suspended students,regardless of the reasontheyweresuspended. I agree law enforcement action against students is a problematic, and I offer no solution. However, the tone of your comment feels eh.. Like it's trying to say something without saying it. Apologies if I'm misreading it. There are always going to be touchy subjects as social and cultural history moves forward. I knew a few kids that got suspended for threatening to blow up the school after 9/11. Sucks that kids can't make mistakes without overblown consequences, though.
- recuter 4y ago
  However, the tone of your comment feels eh.. Like it's trying to say something without saying it. Apologies if I'm misreading it. Beg your pardon about my tone? I sincerely don't understand what you're trying to intimate here. Please be direct.

aquarium87 4y ago

Yes, but he outted himself as a hateful bigot. There is no more despicable person in the world. What to do?

popcalc 4y ago
I agree, it's time to lock these people up.
- recuter 4y ago
  > I agree, it's time to lock these people up. To be clear you are arguing for jailing a high schooler for saying there are only two genders?
  - aquarium87 4y ago
    Yes. Absolutely. Why not get it over with now and debate it now? That is the end result of where society is going, but "the powers that be" don't want it to happen to fast. Like right now. Or the plan might get ruined. Canada is ripe picking for denialism laws and hate speech laws as Canadians don't actually have a right to free speech. But only if they can be brought in slowly and quietly. So yeah, throw the book at the kid. I'm sure he wants it, he picked this fight. Remember, what's the best defense? Offense. This kid is a hero. He's not playing D. He's on the offensive, and Canadians should take note.
darthrupert 4y ago
Saying "there are two genders" does not make anyone a hateful bigot.
- aquarium87 4y ago
  Not sure where you have been. Transgender people are the most oppressed people on the planet. Even their body rejects them. If able bodied, cis hetero conformists don't understand this, they are bigots. If able bodied, cis hetero conformists don't accept live saving affirmative language, they are hateful and want transgender people to die. It's all pretty clear isn't it? :)
  - darthrupert 4y ago
    > It's all pretty clear isn't it? :) No, not really. The situation is very confusing, frankly. Where did this come from, where is it going? WHO estimates that the prevalence of trans people is around 0,01%. How does that track with the local school here, where every 10th girl is saying they're gender-fluid or trans? When I was young (1990s), nobody was trans. Perhaps they did not dare to be, I don't know. The numbers and prevalence don't make sense to me. If this is a growing thing (i.e. people are becoming trans who would not have otherwise), this is definitely not a good thing. Being trans is an individual tragedy (i.e. it makes the life a whole lot more difficult -- even in a society that would 100% accept it), and if it's possible to prevent that tragedy happening, we should work towards such an outcome. I don't mean conversion therapy, that's obviously bullshit. I mean regular psychological healthcare and safety, and research to the causes of the phenomenon. That's not to say that existing trans people shouldn't have human rights. They obviously deserve the same rights that we all have, and if they want to be called in a different pronoun that we would instinctively call them, it would be just extremely impolite not to do that -- or indeed as you say, encouraging suicide.

raidicy 4y ago

This is run of the mill school procedure though. At least in the US. In my high-school ,circa 2008, the same rule would and has been applied to suspended students,regardless of the reasontheyweresuspended. I agree law enforcement action against students is a problematic, and I offer no solution. However, the tone of your comment feels eh.. Like it's trying to say something without saying it. Apologies if I'm misreading it. There are always going to be touchy subjects as social and cultural history moves forward. I knew a few kids that got suspended for threatening to blow up the school after 9/11. Sucks that kids can't make mistakes without overblown consequences, though.

recuter 4y ago
However, the tone of your comment feels eh.. Like it's trying to say something without saying it. Apologies if I'm misreading it. Beg your pardon about my tone? I sincerely don't understand what you're trying to intimate here. Please be direct.