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But a whole temple ending up like this? It does say something about Buddhism as well as the specific temple where it happened. Why are some temples ok but thi

But a whole temple ending up like this? It does say something about Buddhism as well as the specific temple where it happened. Why are some temples ok but this one not?

andrewflnr 4y ago
You can find the same sort of hypocritical nonsense in any other broad religious or non-religious group. It's not about buddhism, it's about the humans.
- kilgnad 4y ago
  This is not true. Different groups have different behavior. You cannot just broadly point to human behavior and ignore groups. Though given that it was only 4 monks it could be that this doesn't say anything about the group. I didn't know it was just 4 at the time, I thought it was like 30 or 50 or something.
  - andrewflnr 4y ago
    It's usually true, and I don't see any evidence to the contrary here. What is meaningfully different about a handful of monks taking meth relative to any other group of any other ideological stripe doing something that fails to live up to their stated ideals? Something about meth in particular? That's a bad hill to stand on, considering that meth seems to have broad appeal, to say nothing of drugs in general. Getting hooked on drugs is definitely not specific to Buddhism. Something about the monastery environment? Still not very unique. Just because something happened in a group self-labelled X doesn't mean X actually had anything to do with it, any more than the latitude, weather, or any other condition around the event. Humans have a demonstrated tendency to do stupid stuff like drugs already, so you need strong evidence to say that something like Buddhism played a strong causal role on top of that. You're listening for voices in the wind. Shit happens. Ed: reading a little more about the wider problems, the relevant concept is probably the base rate fallacy. This stuff would happen with "Christians" if Christianity was the dominant religion in the area. For comparison consider all the ways, throughout history, the Catholic Church has failed to live its stated principles.
atonse 4y ago
It was 4 monks. Hardly remarkable as a number.
- kilgnad 4y ago
  The headline was clickbait then. I thought it was like 50 people.
  - dredmorbius 4y ago
    The information pertenant to your numerous comments in this thread are in the 2nd paragraph of the article: All four monks at a temple in Phetchabun province's Bung Sam Phan district, in central Thailand, were forced by police to take urine tests on Monday. All four of them, including the abbot, failed. Further: Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.

But a whole temple ending up like this? It does say something about Buddhism as well as the specific temple where it happened. Why are some temples ok but this one not?

andrewflnr 4y ago

You can find the same sort of hypocritical nonsense in any other broad religious or non-religious group. It's not about buddhism, it's about the humans.

kilgnad 4y ago
This is not true. Different groups have different behavior. You cannot just broadly point to human behavior and ignore groups. Though given that it was only 4 monks it could be that this doesn't say anything about the group. I didn't know it was just 4 at the time, I thought it was like 30 or 50 or something.
- andrewflnr 4y ago
  It's usually true, and I don't see any evidence to the contrary here. What is meaningfully different about a handful of monks taking meth relative to any other group of any other ideological stripe doing something that fails to live up to their stated ideals? Something about meth in particular? That's a bad hill to stand on, considering that meth seems to have broad appeal, to say nothing of drugs in general. Getting hooked on drugs is definitely not specific to Buddhism. Something about the monastery environment? Still not very unique. Just because something happened in a group self-labelled X doesn't mean X actually had anything to do with it, any more than the latitude, weather, or any other condition around the event. Humans have a demonstrated tendency to do stupid stuff like drugs already, so you need strong evidence to say that something like Buddhism played a strong causal role on top of that. You're listening for voices in the wind. Shit happens. Ed: reading a little more about the wider problems, the relevant concept is probably the base rate fallacy. This stuff would happen with "Christians" if Christianity was the dominant religion in the area. For comparison consider all the ways, throughout history, the Catholic Church has failed to live its stated principles.

atonse 4y ago

It was 4 monks. Hardly remarkable as a number.

kilgnad 4y ago
The headline was clickbait then. I thought it was like 50 people.
- dredmorbius 4y ago
  The information pertenant to your numerous comments in this thread are in the 2nd paragraph of the article: All four monks at a temple in Phetchabun province's Bung Sam Phan district, in central Thailand, were forced by police to take urine tests on Monday. All four of them, including the abbot, failed. Further: Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.