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I keep trying out Android phones and Windows laptops but the hardware are always inferior to Apple products. The competition has caught up and even surpassed Ap

I keep trying out Android phones and Windows laptops but the hardware are always inferior to Apple products. The competition has caught up and even surpassed Apple in Software but Apple has a big lead in chips, speakers, build quality.

traveler01 4y ago
Curious to know, which competition caught up Apple on software?
- newaccount74 4y ago
  I think it's more that Apple has dropped down to normal reliability levels. With Apple's focus on shipping a new OS every year no matter what, they have started shipping broken features by default, and you just have to hope they get around to fix the bugs next year.
  - lostlogin 4y ago
    Mountain Lion please, 3 years in a row. My new battle is that Apple Mail search just stops working. Quitting and reopening doesn’t do anything. When it works, it’s almost like crafting the ultimate regex at times.
    - traveler01 4y ago
      Man I switched from Windows and Android to all Apple recently and it’s a pretty good improvements overall. Competition isn’t caught up, they’re falling behind. One thing though, software quality has been falling down a lot, including Apple’s
jeroenhd 4y ago
Only in laptop speakers do I think Apple is the very best. I'm sure their audio company acquisition helped them with that, I don't think any other laptop manufacturers have gone out of their way to buy audio companies just for their laptops. Apple's trackpad is also pretty good, but I prefer Lenovo's myself. Better hardware exists in every range (cheaper, faster, less power hungry), but Apple manages to put a lot of good stuff together. You can beat the M2 in CPU performance for less money but your battery won't last as long, you can beat the screen quality if you pay extra for the better screen, you can buy a usable GPU with your laptop if you want to play games but don't get the machine learning boost, there are so many deliberations to be made.
- kitsunesoba 4y ago
  Yeah, shopping for non-Apple laptops is basically a big game of “choose your caveats”. That’s fine if you only need one particular quality of the laptop in question to be good, but I think most people are best served by well-roundedness. Your chances at getting something somewhat well rounded improve if you get up into MacBook price ranges, but even in that range there are a lot of machines with weirdly lackluster aspects.
  - jeroenhd 4y ago
    Laptop manufacturers are absolutely terrible in this aspect. They flood the market with confusing models so they can push expensive, overpriced models around and keep minimal stock so sales are often at full price. If you need a good laptop, you need to look towards the professional line. Not too professional ("workstation" laptops) but also not too amateurish (the cheaper laptops seemingly aimed at small business). Thinkpad and similar product lines often deliver excellent value, especially in bulk, as long as you don't go for their bottom-of-the-barrel configurations.
- brookst 4y ago
  Curious what beats the M2 CPU for a lower price?
  - jeroenhd 4y ago
    Many Intel laptops beat the M2 in pure CPU performance for several hundred euros less, in some models for almost half the price. The i7 12650H drains your battery much faster (and hotter) but beats the M2 in most real world applications. You also get other benefits (like easily upgradeable and cheaper RAM) for heavy workloads that make the price difference even greater. Sadly, AMD has fallen behind Intel again, but their chips often pose just as good a performance-per-euro advantage.
  - dzhiurgis 4y ago
    €700 Beelink gtr6 (latest ryzen) NUC/mini-pc beats my m1 pro

traveler01 4y ago

Curious to know, which competition caught up Apple on software?

newaccount74 4y ago
I think it's more that Apple has dropped down to normal reliability levels. With Apple's focus on shipping a new OS every year no matter what, they have started shipping broken features by default, and you just have to hope they get around to fix the bugs next year.
- lostlogin 4y ago
  Mountain Lion please, 3 years in a row. My new battle is that Apple Mail search just stops working. Quitting and reopening doesn’t do anything. When it works, it’s almost like crafting the ultimate regex at times.
  - traveler01 4y ago
    Man I switched from Windows and Android to all Apple recently and it’s a pretty good improvements overall. Competition isn’t caught up, they’re falling behind. One thing though, software quality has been falling down a lot, including Apple’s

jeroenhd 4y ago

Only in laptop speakers do I think Apple is the very best. I'm sure their audio company acquisition helped them with that, I don't think any other laptop manufacturers have gone out of their way to buy audio companies just for their laptops. Apple's trackpad is also pretty good, but I prefer Lenovo's myself. Better hardware exists in every range (cheaper, faster, less power hungry), but Apple manages to put a lot of good stuff together. You can beat the M2 in CPU performance for less money but your battery won't last as long, you can beat the screen quality if you pay extra for the better screen, you can buy a usable GPU with your laptop if you want to play games but don't get the machine learning boost, there are so many deliberations to be made.

kitsunesoba 4y ago
Yeah, shopping for non-Apple laptops is basically a big game of “choose your caveats”. That’s fine if you only need one particular quality of the laptop in question to be good, but I think most people are best served by well-roundedness. Your chances at getting something somewhat well rounded improve if you get up into MacBook price ranges, but even in that range there are a lot of machines with weirdly lackluster aspects.
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  Laptop manufacturers are absolutely terrible in this aspect. They flood the market with confusing models so they can push expensive, overpriced models around and keep minimal stock so sales are often at full price. If you need a good laptop, you need to look towards the professional line. Not too professional ("workstation" laptops) but also not too amateurish (the cheaper laptops seemingly aimed at small business). Thinkpad and similar product lines often deliver excellent value, especially in bulk, as long as you don't go for their bottom-of-the-barrel configurations.
brookst 4y ago
Curious what beats the M2 CPU for a lower price?
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  Many Intel laptops beat the M2 in pure CPU performance for several hundred euros less, in some models for almost half the price. The i7 12650H drains your battery much faster (and hotter) but beats the M2 in most real world applications. You also get other benefits (like easily upgradeable and cheaper RAM) for heavy workloads that make the price difference even greater. Sadly, AMD has fallen behind Intel again, but their chips often pose just as good a performance-per-euro advantage.
- dzhiurgis 4y ago
  €700 Beelink gtr6 (latest ryzen) NUC/mini-pc beats my m1 pro