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They actually already make a special version of windows for those purposes and it isn't available to the open market. Government editions that have no telemetry

They actually already make a special version of windows for those purposes and it isn't available to the open market. Government editions that have no telemetry, advertising, or integrated cloud products at all. I know it is a pipe dream but I wish they could be forced to sell this to the general public.

skissane 4y ago
Are you talking about LTSC or something else? I have looked into buying LTSC. Apparently you need a business (I own a “shelf” company which has never done anything, but legally it counts), and a Microsoft volume license agreement. I looked into the later. Supposedly there is this trick where you order all these useless-but-cheap Identity Manager CALs to cheaply meet the minimum order requirement for a volume license. But I got a bit stuck working out what to order (or even if it was still available through resellers in my country). I lost interest at that point.
- mkup 4y ago
  I am not Meph504, but I suppose they meant either Windows Enterprise G or Windows Enterprise G N editions, not Windows LTSC editions.
  - Meph504 4y ago
    Correct
  - skissane 4y ago
    Is Enterprise G the same thing as “China Government Edition”? Is there a “US Government Edition”? Is it different from the Chinese one? How does G differ from LTSC?
    - Meph504 4y ago
      Yes it is different, and the difference between gov edition and ltsc is that. The gov edition isn't designed for long term support without change, but to increase security of windows and remove all the telemry and forced integrated services from Microsoft. This info is publicly available so more detailed info should be easy to find.
      - skissane 4y ago
        All the sources I can find say that Enterprise G is China-only. The US Government (among others) doesn’t use it, even for classified stuff. Telemetry is a bit of a non-issue for many national security applications-they run on special air-gapped networks with zero direct access to the public Internet, Windows can try to phone home to Microsoft all day long, it’ll never get through. And disabling telemetry doesn’t require LTSC or Enterprise G. All Enterprise, Education and Server editions support “Diagnostic data off” telemetry level. Even if that’s not the default, most enterprises who want that will build their own install images with that setting configured.

skissane 4y ago

Are you talking about LTSC or something else? I have looked into buying LTSC. Apparently you need a business (I own a “shelf” company which has never done anything, but legally it counts), and a Microsoft volume license agreement. I looked into the later. Supposedly there is this trick where you order all these useless-but-cheap Identity Manager CALs to cheaply meet the minimum order requirement for a volume license. But I got a bit stuck working out what to order (or even if it was still available through resellers in my country). I lost interest at that point.

mkup 4y ago
I am not Meph504, but I suppose they meant either Windows Enterprise G or Windows Enterprise G N editions, not Windows LTSC editions.
- Meph504 4y ago
  Correct
- skissane 4y ago
  Is Enterprise G the same thing as “China Government Edition”? Is there a “US Government Edition”? Is it different from the Chinese one? How does G differ from LTSC?
  - Meph504 4y ago
    Yes it is different, and the difference between gov edition and ltsc is that. The gov edition isn't designed for long term support without change, but to increase security of windows and remove all the telemry and forced integrated services from Microsoft. This info is publicly available so more detailed info should be easy to find.
    - skissane 4y ago
      All the sources I can find say that Enterprise G is China-only. The US Government (among others) doesn’t use it, even for classified stuff. Telemetry is a bit of a non-issue for many national security applications-they run on special air-gapped networks with zero direct access to the public Internet, Windows can try to phone home to Microsoft all day long, it’ll never get through. And disabling telemetry doesn’t require LTSC or Enterprise G. All Enterprise, Education and Server editions support “Diagnostic data off” telemetry level. Even if that’s not the default, most enterprises who want that will build their own install images with that setting configured.