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The lost hours are totally invisible (most companies wouldn't even allow you to report them. they don't WANT to see them) and the alternative world without lost

The lost hours are totally invisible (most companies wouldn't even allow you to report them. they don't WANT to see them) and the alternative world without lost hours with more productivity can also not be imagined by those in charge. For all it's terrible bugs and login issues, is there even alterative with similar functionality that would be as "user friendly" (as in: non-tech people would know how to use it as well as they use Microsoft garbage?). I literally can't think of any alternatives that comes close in functionality OR has the same ease of use for non tech people and wouldn't waste even more time.

hkt 4y ago
OSX seems fine for most people where I've worked. For the truly intractable Windows addict, maybe ReactOS? https://reactos.org/ https://reactos.org/
- notpushkin 4y ago
  I think Linux + Wine should be fine for most people (with a little guidance, of course). ReactOS isn't stable enough even in a VM right now – but the progress is nice, and I hope it will be a viable alternative for embedded applications (like ATMs or factory automation stuff). Maybe consumer use one day, too?
- bboygravity 4y ago
  I don't see how that is related to what I wrote? Mac is not an alternative functionality to: Teams, Outlook, MS Office, etc? It doesn't solve the MS crappy auth system, it doesn't give (large) businesses the same functionality that MS is giving them.
  - danaris 4y ago
    On the Mac, you can use those MS products without it taking over your user account. You can also use any of various other products that compete with them (Google Apps, iWork, Zoom, etc). Just because MS makes a specific package that businesses like doesn't mean that they can't use something else if MS is becoming more of a problem than they're worth.
- ecshafer 4y ago
  I am a linux guy, always have been. But when I went from a Windows environment company to a Mac company I was absolutely shocked by how much less work I had to do with Mac to get everything working. Authentication, logging in, slack vs teams, just everything worked so much better.
twic 4y ago
> The lost hours are totally invisible (most companies wouldn't even allow you to report them. they don't WANT to see them) We recently discussed this "shadow work": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34612697 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34612697

hkt 4y ago

OSX seems fine for most people where I've worked. For the truly intractable Windows addict, maybe ReactOS? https://reactos.org/ https://reactos.org/

notpushkin 4y ago
I think Linux + Wine should be fine for most people (with a little guidance, of course). ReactOS isn't stable enough even in a VM right now – but the progress is nice, and I hope it will be a viable alternative for embedded applications (like ATMs or factory automation stuff). Maybe consumer use one day, too?
bboygravity 4y ago
I don't see how that is related to what I wrote? Mac is not an alternative functionality to: Teams, Outlook, MS Office, etc? It doesn't solve the MS crappy auth system, it doesn't give (large) businesses the same functionality that MS is giving them.
- danaris 4y ago
  On the Mac, you can use those MS products without it taking over your user account. You can also use any of various other products that compete with them (Google Apps, iWork, Zoom, etc). Just because MS makes a specific package that businesses like doesn't mean that they can't use something else if MS is becoming more of a problem than they're worth.
ecshafer 4y ago
I am a linux guy, always have been. But when I went from a Windows environment company to a Mac company I was absolutely shocked by how much less work I had to do with Mac to get everything working. Authentication, logging in, slack vs teams, just everything worked so much better.

twic 4y ago

> The lost hours are totally invisible (most companies wouldn't even allow you to report them. they don't WANT to see them) We recently discussed this "shadow work": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34612697 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34612697