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"I think the west is using Ukraine as a way to whittle down Russian military forces" Of course they are. These weapon systems were built to defeat Russia and no

"I think the west is using Ukraine as a way to whittle down Russian military forces" Of course they are. These weapon systems were built to defeat Russia and now they are being used for just that with the bonus of 0 risk to US lives. With that said the US is not making Ukraine fight, Ukraine wants to fight and is begging for the weapons that the West is providing and more of them. The Ukrainians are not puppets, we don't get to take away their agency. They are a free people fighting to remain that way while an insane person tries to bury them in the bodies of his soldiers. "I wish the west would stay out of conflicts it doesn't have a stake in" I would argue that everyone has a stake in preventing big countries from using force to just take chunks of weaker countries. "almost like it's a convenient excuse to help distract people how much they're getting screwed over at home" People are not stupid, they are more than capable of holding multiple ideas and foci in their heads at the same time. The war could end tomorrow, Putin just has to pack up and leave. In the mean time he is decimating a generation of young men and the myth of Russia as a super power. He is also stealing tens of thousands of children.

miguelazo 4y ago
The US (and their Neonazi Azov Allies) is absolutely making Ukraine fight. They have undermined diplomatic solutions at multiple points that were satisfactory even to Zelensky. Ukrainians are being used to advance US hegemonic and LNG interests, and it’s disgusting.
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  Interesting, can you show me the video of Zelensky saying the terms are acceptable but the US won't let him accept and are forcing everyone to fight to the death? Or are you just making this up? Also your focus on the political orientation of a battalion that pretty much fought to the death to stop the Russian invasion is pretty telling. Should Ukraine have told them not to fight? Sorry we would rather lose the war, have our daughters raped, get tortured to death and let Russia keep stealing our kids because our potential allies are racist? Russia is pardoning rapists and murdererers if they agree to fight for them. But partnering with Racists is worse right? What the us is doing is more disgusting than the invading Russians, about the same, less?
  - miguelazo 4y ago
    That “battalion” is literally the #2 reason Russia invaded. And if you want to read about the peace deals that were undermined look them up. You can start with the most prominent one where the US sent its British errand boy Boris Johnson to handle it. PS: I really love the minimization of NAZIS as just a “political orientation”.
    - wonderwonder 4y ago
      lol, Dmitry Utkin is one of the military founders of the Wagner group and is covered in nazi tattoos. Russians invaded Ukraine to stop the nazis and brought along their own? There are many examples of Nazis fighting for Russia. Come on man, I refuse to believe that you think Russia invaded Ukraine because of Nazis. No way you would fall to that sort of propaganda. Right...? Again, can you show me the videos of Zelensky saying he wants peace and is willing to accept surrendering Ukrainian soil to get it but the US stopped him and are forcing him to fight. This is your claim, so you should be able to provide the videos. Telling me to "look them up" is not a strong argument in your favor.
      - miguelazo 4y ago
        Are there a few bad apples in the Wagner group? Probably, any mercenary group is bad news. But that’s not their organizing principle, and they weren’t incorporated into the official Russian military as the Azov Nazis were, nor do they exert major control over the central government. Here’s just one example of peace deals acceptable to Zelensky being undermined by the West: https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/01/report-russia-ukraine-tentatively-agreed-on-peace-deal-in-april/amp/ https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/01/report-russia-ukraine-tent...
        wonderwonder 4y ago
        You kinda left out the other very minor issue from the article that prevented a deal "According to Ukrainska Pravda, the other factor that scuttled peace talks was the discovery of massacred civilians in Bucha and other areas near Kyiv that Russia withdrew from around the time negotiations were being held." But the Russians are the good guys fighting to liberate Ukraine from the Nazis led by their Jewish president. Looks like they did a great job liberating the civilians in Bucha.

miguelazo 4y ago

The US (and their Neonazi Azov Allies) is absolutely making Ukraine fight. They have undermined diplomatic solutions at multiple points that were satisfactory even to Zelensky. Ukrainians are being used to advance US hegemonic and LNG interests, and it’s disgusting.

wonderwonder 4y ago
Interesting, can you show me the video of Zelensky saying the terms are acceptable but the US won't let him accept and are forcing everyone to fight to the death? Or are you just making this up? Also your focus on the political orientation of a battalion that pretty much fought to the death to stop the Russian invasion is pretty telling. Should Ukraine have told them not to fight? Sorry we would rather lose the war, have our daughters raped, get tortured to death and let Russia keep stealing our kids because our potential allies are racist? Russia is pardoning rapists and murdererers if they agree to fight for them. But partnering with Racists is worse right? What the us is doing is more disgusting than the invading Russians, about the same, less?
- miguelazo 4y ago
  That “battalion” is literally the #2 reason Russia invaded. And if you want to read about the peace deals that were undermined look them up. You can start with the most prominent one where the US sent its British errand boy Boris Johnson to handle it. PS: I really love the minimization of NAZIS as just a “political orientation”.
  - wonderwonder 4y ago
    lol, Dmitry Utkin is one of the military founders of the Wagner group and is covered in nazi tattoos. Russians invaded Ukraine to stop the nazis and brought along their own? There are many examples of Nazis fighting for Russia. Come on man, I refuse to believe that you think Russia invaded Ukraine because of Nazis. No way you would fall to that sort of propaganda. Right...? Again, can you show me the videos of Zelensky saying he wants peace and is willing to accept surrendering Ukrainian soil to get it but the US stopped him and are forcing him to fight. This is your claim, so you should be able to provide the videos. Telling me to "look them up" is not a strong argument in your favor.
    - miguelazo 4y ago
      Are there a few bad apples in the Wagner group? Probably, any mercenary group is bad news. But that’s not their organizing principle, and they weren’t incorporated into the official Russian military as the Azov Nazis were, nor do they exert major control over the central government. Here’s just one example of peace deals acceptable to Zelensky being undermined by the West: https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/01/report-russia-ukraine-tentatively-agreed-on-peace-deal-in-april/amp/ https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/01/report-russia-ukraine-tent...
      - wonderwonder 4y ago
        You kinda left out the other very minor issue from the article that prevented a deal "According to Ukrainska Pravda, the other factor that scuttled peace talks was the discovery of massacred civilians in Bucha and other areas near Kyiv that Russia withdrew from around the time negotiations were being held." But the Russians are the good guys fighting to liberate Ukraine from the Nazis led by their Jewish president. Looks like they did a great job liberating the civilians in Bucha.