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Here is a newspaper version with more details : http://www.telegraphindia.com/1111224/jsp/frontpage/story_14922635.jsp http://www.telegraphindia.com/1111224/jsp

by gphilip 15y ago

Here is a newspaper version with more details : http://www.telegraphindia.com/1111224/jsp/frontpage/story_14922635.jsp http://www.telegraphindia.com/1111224/jsp/frontpage/story_14... Edit: This is hard to believe. Perhaps there is more to the matter than is being said? Taking kids away from their parents and not allowing to reunite till 18 years of age is, to put it mildly, an extreme step. To do that solely based on culturally-different eating and sleeping routines seems barbaric.

bdfh42 15y ago
You are almost certainly correct. We are only hearing one side to this issue and (as you point out) such extreme restrictions on parental contact indicate that the issues are rather far reaching and have little to do with not using spoons.
- dalke 15y ago
  The correct (albeit scientific wishy-washy word) is "suggest", not "indicate". Rather, it equally indicates that the Norwegian foster care system is over-reaching and unable to accept difference in child-rearing practices different than the Norwegian cultural norm. The Norwegian Degbladet questioned the "Head of Child Protection Service in Stavanger, Gunnar Toresen", and received only that the transfer of care taking was not due to cultural differences and that it was very problematic for them since the description (of the problem) is not rooted in reality. Note also that the Fylkesnemnda (the court-like board which oversees child services) overturned the decision of the child services employees who made the decision, only to be overturned themselves in appeal. Which suggests that this is not a clear cut issue. The appeal has been appealed, but trial date has not yet been set.
dalke 15y ago
I read this and the original article, and it still makes no sense to me. I found a report in the Norwegian Dag Bladet (http://www.dagbladet.no/2012/01/19/nyheter/innenriks/barnevernet/stavanger/19868579/ http://www.dagbladet.no/2012/01/19/nyheter/innenriks/barneve... ) and that mentions the report against the parents also says there were too few toys, the kids weren't wearing socks, and the rice+yogurt diet is too one sided. Oh, and that the mother "ikke holdt datteren riktig når hun ammet " -- didn't hold the daughter right when she breast-fed. The mother did slap the children, but stopped when told it was illegal in Norway. They live in Stavanger but the Stavanger Aftenbladet doesn't have anything about this. One bizarre thing is the complaint that the two children sleep in the same bed as the parents. The eldest is 3 years old. But the daughter of Finnish friends of mine was sleeping in the same bed as her parents until at least that age. There is somewhat of an escape clause; immigration law trumps custody for this case and once the mother's permit expires the foster home system would have to apply for a residency permit on behalf of the children if they decide they don't want the children repatriated. But the father, a geophysicist, would have to quit his job of several years in Norway. The foster care system also refused to return the kids to the father, should the parents separate while this is being resolved, and refused to let the children be with the grandparents. This is still hard to believe!

by gphilip 15y ago

bdfh42 15y ago

You are almost certainly correct. We are only hearing one side to this issue and (as you point out) such extreme restrictions on parental contact indicate that the issues are rather far reaching and have little to do with not using spoons.

dalke 15y ago
The correct (albeit scientific wishy-washy word) is "suggest", not "indicate". Rather, it equally indicates that the Norwegian foster care system is over-reaching and unable to accept difference in child-rearing practices different than the Norwegian cultural norm. The Norwegian Degbladet questioned the "Head of Child Protection Service in Stavanger, Gunnar Toresen", and received only that the transfer of care taking was not due to cultural differences and that it was very problematic for them since the description (of the problem) is not rooted in reality. Note also that the Fylkesnemnda (the court-like board which oversees child services) overturned the decision of the child services employees who made the decision, only to be overturned themselves in appeal. Which suggests that this is not a clear cut issue. The appeal has been appealed, but trial date has not yet been set.

dalke 15y ago

I read this and the original article, and it still makes no sense to me. I found a report in the Norwegian Dag Bladet (http://www.dagbladet.no/2012/01/19/nyheter/innenriks/barnevernet/stavanger/19868579/ http://www.dagbladet.no/2012/01/19/nyheter/innenriks/barneve... ) and that mentions the report against the parents also says there were too few toys, the kids weren't wearing socks, and the rice+yogurt diet is too one sided. Oh, and that the mother "ikke holdt datteren riktig når hun ammet " -- didn't hold the daughter right when she breast-fed. The mother did slap the children, but stopped when told it was illegal in Norway. They live in Stavanger but the Stavanger Aftenbladet doesn't have anything about this. One bizarre thing is the complaint that the two children sleep in the same bed as the parents. The eldest is 3 years old. But the daughter of Finnish friends of mine was sleeping in the same bed as her parents until at least that age. There is somewhat of an escape clause; immigration law trumps custody for this case and once the mother's permit expires the foster home system would have to apply for a residency permit on behalf of the children if they decide they don't want the children repatriated. But the father, a geophysicist, would have to quit his job of several years in Norway. The foster care system also refused to return the kids to the father, should the parents separate while this is being resolved, and refused to let the children be with the grandparents. This is still hard to believe!