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Without motorized vehicles we would also lose a lot of the degrees of freedom that make modern life as comfortable as it is. No one is going back to delivering

Without motorized vehicles we would also lose a lot of the degrees of freedom that make modern life as comfortable as it is. No one is going back to delivering stock to city stores via horse and carriage - and you might not like it if they did, seeing as horses produce emissions of their own that aren't especially pleasant to scrape off a shoe or have sprayed up off the road by a bike tire. Now, the idea of constraining motor vehicles, that I'm all in favor of, as a sometime cyclist and pedestrian who hates needing to own a car at all. Carless CBDs. Streets bollarded off. Time-of-day restrictions. Mass transit that actually works - yes, yes, yes, and please-for-the-love-of-God. Argue that motor vehicles should serve where they suit best and not be allowed to pose a hazard otherwise. Don't argue that motor vehicles should cease to exist entirely - they won't, but your audience will.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
> Don't argue that motor vehicles should cease to exist entirely - they won't, but your audience will. The argument is against individual motor vehicles at current sizes, because they are simply incompatible with this goal: > Mass transit that actually works - yes, yes, yes, and please-for-the-love-of-God. You simply cannot design an environment to where everyone can have their own F150 and still have things be within walking/cycling distance and still have public transit operating at sufficient frequency to make it “work”.
- throwanem 4y ago
  I don't believe I suggested otherwise. My point is that if that's the argument, as I agree it should be, then make that argument - make that argument, with clarity and precision. You're already well outside the received precepts of the culture you seek to improve, which means you are necessarily beginning under a cloud of suspicion and doubt. Take it from a gay man old enough to remember the 80s: You help yourself not at all by doing anything to further complicate your delivery of the message.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

> Don't argue that motor vehicles should cease to exist entirely - they won't, but your audience will. The argument is against individual motor vehicles at current sizes, because they are simply incompatible with this goal: > Mass transit that actually works - yes, yes, yes, and please-for-the-love-of-God. You simply cannot design an environment to where everyone can have their own F150 and still have things be within walking/cycling distance and still have public transit operating at sufficient frequency to make it “work”.

throwanem 4y ago
I don't believe I suggested otherwise. My point is that if that's the argument, as I agree it should be, then make that argument - make that argument, with clarity and precision. You're already well outside the received precepts of the culture you seek to improve, which means you are necessarily beginning under a cloud of suspicion and doubt. Take it from a gay man old enough to remember the 80s: You help yourself not at all by doing anything to further complicate your delivery of the message.