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And they're almost all far-right.

by ginko 4y ago

pfannkuchen 4y ago
Isn't any organization that has been around for a long time and hasn't sufficiently updated its moral positions considered to be such? This label could mean anything in a range all the way from "old boys club vibes" or "somewhat antifeminist" to "holds beliefs of objective racial superiority". It is a bit of a broad brush...
- adastra22 4y ago
  Generally true if he had said just “right” or “conservative.” But doesn’t far-right specifically mean fascist? (Like how far left is code for communist.)
  - RalfWausE 4y ago
    I have a few friends who were in a corps and as far as i can tell the general political standing wouldn't be that much out of place in the Kaiserzeit. Definitive not fascist, but very much "classist" and racist in a way that want to believe that non-white people are not LESS capable, but that they (the white guys in the corps) are just MORE capable. I think the word "aristocratic" would describe their mindset best.
- inglor_cz 4y ago
  I am fairly rightist myself and the few Burschenschaften I got acquainted with feel right-wing to me. The last one I visited (which was in Vienna some 15 years) ago, I was told by multiple members during the drinking part of the evening that it is just a matter of time before the Austro-Hungarian empire gets reconstituted, because Slavs failed at ruling themselves. Heh, Austria is somewhat richer (due to having escaped Communism), but as far as corruption in politics goes, a Balkan country.
- pjc50 4y ago
  The corps are/were old-right, i.e. linked to or emulating the feudal aristocracy. They are necessarily anti-feminist as they're male-only; there is no direct female equivalent that I'm aware of. In particular, I do not believe it would be permitted for a woman to recieve a duelling scar, or for any man to participate in such a duel. I think you would be very hard pressed to find one on the face of someone not ethnically German, either. They were banned by Hitler as part of the general totalitarianism against non-Party organisations.
j0hax 4y ago
Conservative, sure, but far-right is a stretch for the majority of Studentenverbindungen in Germany.

And they're almost all far-right.

by ginko 4y ago

And they're almost all far-right.

Isn't any organization that has been around for a long time and hasn't sufficiently updated its moral positions considered to be such? This label could mean anything in a range all the way from "old boys club vibes" or "somewhat antifeminist" to "holds beliefs of objective racial superiority". It is a bit of a broad brush...

adastra22 4y ago
Generally true if he had said just “right” or “conservative.” But doesn’t far-right specifically mean fascist? (Like how far left is code for communist.)
- RalfWausE 4y ago
  I have a few friends who were in a corps and as far as i can tell the general political standing wouldn't be that much out of place in the Kaiserzeit. Definitive not fascist, but very much "classist" and racist in a way that want to believe that non-white people are not LESS capable, but that they (the white guys in the corps) are just MORE capable. I think the word "aristocratic" would describe their mindset best.
inglor_cz 4y ago
I am fairly rightist myself and the few Burschenschaften I got acquainted with feel right-wing to me. The last one I visited (which was in Vienna some 15 years) ago, I was told by multiple members during the drinking part of the evening that it is just a matter of time before the Austro-Hungarian empire gets reconstituted, because Slavs failed at ruling themselves. Heh, Austria is somewhat richer (due to having escaped Communism), but as far as corruption in politics goes, a Balkan country.
pjc50 4y ago
The corps are/were old-right, i.e. linked to or emulating the feudal aristocracy. They are necessarily anti-feminist as they're male-only; there is no direct female equivalent that I'm aware of. In particular, I do not believe it would be permitted for a woman to recieve a duelling scar, or for any man to participate in such a duel. I think you would be very hard pressed to find one on the face of someone not ethnically German, either. They were banned by Hitler as part of the general totalitarianism against non-Party organisations.

j0hax 4y ago

Conservative, sure, but far-right is a stretch for the majority of Studentenverbindungen in Germany.