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Appeasing the aggressors by giving up territories is not going to stop the war long term until there is nothing to give up. Not only history shows it again and

by yks 4y ago

Appeasing the aggressors by giving up territories is not going to stop the war long term until there is nothing to give up. Not only history shows it again and again, but the basic psychology behind this is clear after a first encounter with a bully which many people do as soon as kindergarten. The only outcome of this faux pacifism is the destruction of Ukrainian state with the following butchering of Ukrainian culture AND with the following wars further West. Even though many Americans decided all of a sudden to support Russia in their conquests, Russians did not stop seeing themselves as waging war against the US and the West. And why would they ever stop, if the West keeps giving them what they want.

freefrog334433 4y ago
No appeasement has been the reason for fighting wars since WW2. This shows a misunderstanding of the wars. In Vietnam, it was called the domino theory, except Vietnam was a war of independence. The war on terror - invade Iraq so the terrorist don't come here. The Russians are not going to invade NATO countries.
- yks 4y ago
  If anything your examples show that aggressors don't care about diplomatic compromises as long as they believe in their total military victory. > The Russians are not going to invade NATO countries. Depending on how US elections go, NATO can be no longer a meaningful project anyway. So yes, they are absolutely going to invade if encouraged to do so. Eastern Europeans clearly understand that.
- ninjagoo 4y ago
  > No appeasement has been the reason for fighting wars since WW2. Do you have any evidence for this statement? > The Russians are not going to invade NATO countries. Isn't this what everyone, including Russia, minus the US Administration, was saying about Ukraine prior to Feb 24, 2022? [1][2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Prelude_to_the_invasion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukrai... [2] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-putin-invasion-after-denials-now-says-no-occupation-plan/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-putin-invasion-a...
  - miguelazo 4y ago
    Europeans thought it could be avoided because they still had naive beliefs about the nature and motivations of the US security state. The invasion was quite predictable. So predictable that the RAND Corp recommended virtually all of the steps that the US took in order to facilitate the invasion. https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html
    - ninjagoo 4y ago
      > The invasion was quite predictable. So predictable that the RAND Corp recommended virtually all of the steps that the US took in order to facilitate the invasion. Your link appears to contradict your conclusion that the US took steps to facilitate the invasion. Specifically, key findings from the link are below, and appear to advise against facilitating the invasion (geopolitical and ideological measures) and instead focusing on economics. > Key Findings > Russia's weaknesses lie in the economic domains > The most promising measures to stress Russia are in the realms of energy production and international pressure > Geopolitical measures to bait Russia into overextending itself are likely impractical, or they risk second-order consequences > Ideological measures to undermine the regime's stability carry significant risks of counter escalation

by yks 4y ago

freefrog334433 4y ago

No appeasement has been the reason for fighting wars since WW2. This shows a misunderstanding of the wars. In Vietnam, it was called the domino theory, except Vietnam was a war of independence. The war on terror - invade Iraq so the terrorist don't come here. The Russians are not going to invade NATO countries.

yks 4y ago
If anything your examples show that aggressors don't care about diplomatic compromises as long as they believe in their total military victory. > The Russians are not going to invade NATO countries. Depending on how US elections go, NATO can be no longer a meaningful project anyway. So yes, they are absolutely going to invade if encouraged to do so. Eastern Europeans clearly understand that.
ninjagoo 4y ago
> No appeasement has been the reason for fighting wars since WW2. Do you have any evidence for this statement? > The Russians are not going to invade NATO countries. Isn't this what everyone, including Russia, minus the US Administration, was saying about Ukraine prior to Feb 24, 2022? [1][2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Prelude_to_the_invasion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukrai... [2] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-putin-invasion-after-denials-now-says-no-occupation-plan/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-putin-invasion-a...
- miguelazo 4y ago
  Europeans thought it could be avoided because they still had naive beliefs about the nature and motivations of the US security state. The invasion was quite predictable. So predictable that the RAND Corp recommended virtually all of the steps that the US took in order to facilitate the invasion. https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html
  - ninjagoo 4y ago
    > The invasion was quite predictable. So predictable that the RAND Corp recommended virtually all of the steps that the US took in order to facilitate the invasion. Your link appears to contradict your conclusion that the US took steps to facilitate the invasion. Specifically, key findings from the link are below, and appear to advise against facilitating the invasion (geopolitical and ideological measures) and instead focusing on economics. > Key Findings > Russia's weaknesses lie in the economic domains > The most promising measures to stress Russia are in the realms of energy production and international pressure > Geopolitical measures to bait Russia into overextending itself are likely impractical, or they risk second-order consequences > Ideological measures to undermine the regime's stability carry significant risks of counter escalation