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Making everyone wear body cams: they weren't previously using body cams, you have to spend $ to buy them, the cams will capture me while using the washroom. St

Making everyone wear body cams: they weren't previously using body cams, you have to spend $ to buy them, the cams will capture me while using the washroom. Stopping the deletion of chats: an IT person has to toggle a setting. It feels pretty different to me! To roll with your 1950s analogy, it feels a lot more like the office secretaries being told that instead of shredding inter-office memos, they have to hold on to them. I realize you said ignoring practicality...but that seems like a weird constraint to add. Bureaucracies run through paperwork, so capturing emails and DMs are often sufficient, while being much less invasive and cheaper.

avalys 4y ago
> To roll with your 1950s analogy, it feels a lot more like the office secretaries being told that instead of shredding inter-office memos, they have to hold on to them. There are still interoffice memos in a modern office - they're called emails. But in 1950, if you wanted to just ask a quick question of your colleague Joe, you'd walk over to his office and ask him verbally. Regulators understood that these sorts of interaction happen all the time, are a natural part of business, and didn't try to require that records of these be documented or retained. Today, if you want to ask a quick question of your colleague Joe (who might be in a different state), you just send him a message on Slack. And the same regulations originally written for interoffice memos in the 1950s require that your Slack messages be retained. The same regulations now cover a much broader range of types of communication and business interactions than they were ever intended to.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  > But in 1950, if you wanted to just ask a quick question of your colleague Joe, you'd walk over to his office and ask him verbally. Have we lost legs? >Today, if you want to ask a quick question of your colleague Joe (who might be in a different state), you just send him a message on Slack What would you use in 1950's, a phone, a letter? Have we lost phones? Do you think preserving paper letters was easier than preserving slack messages? It is not the problem of the justice system that your employer has decided to put Joe in a different state.
  - izacus 4y ago
    > Have we lost legs? How do you walk to your colleague when you WFH? I remember topics here where mandatory office was deemed a crime against humanity on HN.
    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
      I have personal phone numbers of coleagues I consider friends. Gossip stays out of any corporate machine. Why are people so suprised that court want the messages? What do you think will happen if someone makes an HR complaint, or you assert some boundaries against unreasonable boss? Anything you say in corporate software can be used against you

avalys 4y ago

> To roll with your 1950s analogy, it feels a lot more like the office secretaries being told that instead of shredding inter-office memos, they have to hold on to them. There are still interoffice memos in a modern office - they're called emails. But in 1950, if you wanted to just ask a quick question of your colleague Joe, you'd walk over to his office and ask him verbally. Regulators understood that these sorts of interaction happen all the time, are a natural part of business, and didn't try to require that records of these be documented or retained. Today, if you want to ask a quick question of your colleague Joe (who might be in a different state), you just send him a message on Slack. And the same regulations originally written for interoffice memos in the 1950s require that your Slack messages be retained. The same regulations now cover a much broader range of types of communication and business interactions than they were ever intended to.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> But in 1950, if you wanted to just ask a quick question of your colleague Joe, you'd walk over to his office and ask him verbally. Have we lost legs? >Today, if you want to ask a quick question of your colleague Joe (who might be in a different state), you just send him a message on Slack What would you use in 1950's, a phone, a letter? Have we lost phones? Do you think preserving paper letters was easier than preserving slack messages? It is not the problem of the justice system that your employer has decided to put Joe in a different state.
- izacus 4y ago
  > Have we lost legs? How do you walk to your colleague when you WFH? I remember topics here where mandatory office was deemed a crime against humanity on HN.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    I have personal phone numbers of coleagues I consider friends. Gossip stays out of any corporate machine. Why are people so suprised that court want the messages? What do you think will happen if someone makes an HR complaint, or you assert some boundaries against unreasonable boss? Anything you say in corporate software can be used against you