> In actual history that view is disproved time and time again Oh I don't dispute whatever it is the historians are saying at all. I was simply arguing about w

> In actual history that view is disproved time and time again Oh I don't dispute whatever it is the historians are saying at all. I was simply arguing about what the themes of the book were, since that was what you were also talking about in your previous comment. Whether the themes of the book are scientific or not I don't know much about at all. So I guess what you are saying is that Frank Herbert might have a more or less inaccurate take on social/political/historical science, which would not surprise me.