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> A culture war is a cultural conflict between social groups and the struggle for dominance of their values, beliefs, and practices.[1] It commonly refers to to

> A culture war is a cultural conflict between social groups and the struggle for dominance of their values, beliefs, and practices.[1] It commonly refers to topics on which there is general societal disagreement and polarization in societal values. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war It sounds like you are confusing culture with aesthetics.

uoaei 4y ago
Where in that definition do you propose governance comes in? Do you think culture is governable? To me, culture lies outside the scope of governance entirely -- it's literally just what people do to express themselves and the ways they like to spend their time. > Societal values Notice it doesn't say economic or material values.
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  Was their practice of direct democracy an important part of ancient Greek culture? (Yes! And it's Republic forms were also part of their culture!) Does the age of monarchy still have impacts on the UK? My imported gin still says "By Order of Her Majesty" on it. "God save the Queen" (or now King) is, intrinsically, part of UK culture. > values, beliefs, and practices That includes practices of law keeping, beliefs in how the law is executed, altered and enshrined, etc. In the US specifically, the founding fathers wrote _at length_ on capitalism, the free market, and how communal economic systems (they were writing prior to Marx) didn't scale. Our society is built on capitalism, through and through.
  - uoaei 4y ago
    That's politics, not culture. Culture is not just "the way people are". We can't just pretend words mean what we want them to mean. Language as a means of communion requires more from us.
joadha 4y ago
They criticized Google for holding a value they perceived to be at odds with the underlying economic system. During a discussion of said company's defiance of a federal judge, such a critique seems pertinent to me! We have continually observed the most powerful actors in our system abusing it in consistent ways: cornering markets, becoming monopolies, bullying smaller companies, constructing walled gardens, diminishing the concept of consumer ownership, etc. I think we ought to allow comments like theirs in discussions like this.

uoaei 4y ago

Where in that definition do you propose governance comes in? Do you think culture is governable? To me, culture lies outside the scope of governance entirely -- it's literally just what people do to express themselves and the ways they like to spend their time. > Societal values Notice it doesn't say economic or material values.

vorpalhex 4y ago
Was their practice of direct democracy an important part of ancient Greek culture? (Yes! And it's Republic forms were also part of their culture!) Does the age of monarchy still have impacts on the UK? My imported gin still says "By Order of Her Majesty" on it. "God save the Queen" (or now King) is, intrinsically, part of UK culture. > values, beliefs, and practices That includes practices of law keeping, beliefs in how the law is executed, altered and enshrined, etc. In the US specifically, the founding fathers wrote _at length_ on capitalism, the free market, and how communal economic systems (they were writing prior to Marx) didn't scale. Our society is built on capitalism, through and through.
- uoaei 4y ago
  That's politics, not culture. Culture is not just "the way people are". We can't just pretend words mean what we want them to mean. Language as a means of communion requires more from us.

joadha 4y ago

They criticized Google for holding a value they perceived to be at odds with the underlying economic system. During a discussion of said company's defiance of a federal judge, such a critique seems pertinent to me! We have continually observed the most powerful actors in our system abusing it in consistent ways: cornering markets, becoming monopolies, bullying smaller companies, constructing walled gardens, diminishing the concept of consumer ownership, etc. I think we ought to allow comments like theirs in discussions like this.