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All this 4 day workweek hullabaloo really cements the entitlement of modern capitalist grievance discourse. Of course this won't affect restaurant workers, nurs

All this 4 day workweek hullabaloo really cements the entitlement of modern capitalist grievance discourse. Of course this won't affect restaurant workers, nurses, retail employees, deliverypeople, sanitation workers, migrant farmers, or any blue collar work that can just shut off 3 days a week and not cause any issues. Before you decide whether you deserve a 4 day work week, think about whether the people who wait on you daily deserve a 6 day work week.

eat 4y ago
It seems silly to make this argument specifically regarding time when we've structured our society in such a way that certain people's time and labor is more valuable than other peoples'. Why not apply this logic to say restaurant workers, nurses, retail employees etc. deserve to make as much money as software engineers? Not that I'd disagree with that. Personally, I think it's absurd that someone writing JavaScript for an advertising company for a few hours a day should make more money than a nurse.
- pc86 4y ago
  Nurses make a lot of money, especially the more specialized and senior ones. CRNAs make more than most software developers. Just about any NP will make over $100k/yr. It's kind of weird to group them together with the retail employee making $9/hr folding shirts or the server making $3.75/hr plus tips at some dive in the middle of nowhere. We do this weird thing in the US where you are tied so intrinsically to what you do for a living that it's become taboo to say the objectively true (and I would argue, very obvious) thing that some jobs are worth more than others. It's not a bad thing that one person gets paid $200k/yr to type JS into a computer and someone else gets paid $9/hr to fold clothes at Boscov's. It's because anyone can walk in off the street and start folding clothes with no training. That isn't making any comment on the people behind those jobs, just the jobs themselves.
ScoobleDoodle 4y ago
How about they hire more people at the new “full time” and it applies to everyone. Happier employees and happier customers.
yamtaddle 4y ago
This is what shifts were invented for. It has nothing to do with being able to shut something off—factories run 24/7 without working anyone 168 hours a week.
drewcoo 4y ago
Sure. I've known nurses that worked 3-day weeks and nurses that worked one week on and one week off. I don't feel they're especially "entitled." The argument that one group should suffer because other groups do is a strange one to me. I don't see software engineers asking that we guarantee that other professions work worse hours than we do.

eat 4y ago

It seems silly to make this argument specifically regarding time when we've structured our society in such a way that certain people's time and labor is more valuable than other peoples'. Why not apply this logic to say restaurant workers, nurses, retail employees etc. deserve to make as much money as software engineers? Not that I'd disagree with that. Personally, I think it's absurd that someone writing JavaScript for an advertising company for a few hours a day should make more money than a nurse.

pc86 4y ago
Nurses make a lot of money, especially the more specialized and senior ones. CRNAs make more than most software developers. Just about any NP will make over $100k/yr. It's kind of weird to group them together with the retail employee making $9/hr folding shirts or the server making $3.75/hr plus tips at some dive in the middle of nowhere. We do this weird thing in the US where you are tied so intrinsically to what you do for a living that it's become taboo to say the objectively true (and I would argue, very obvious) thing that some jobs are worth more than others. It's not a bad thing that one person gets paid $200k/yr to type JS into a computer and someone else gets paid $9/hr to fold clothes at Boscov's. It's because anyone can walk in off the street and start folding clothes with no training. That isn't making any comment on the people behind those jobs, just the jobs themselves.

ScoobleDoodle 4y ago

How about they hire more people at the new “full time” and it applies to everyone. Happier employees and happier customers.

yamtaddle 4y ago

This is what shifts were invented for. It has nothing to do with being able to shut something off—factories run 24/7 without working anyone 168 hours a week.

drewcoo 4y ago

Sure. I've known nurses that worked 3-day weeks and nurses that worked one week on and one week off. I don't feel they're especially "entitled." The argument that one group should suffer because other groups do is a strange one to me. I don't see software engineers asking that we guarantee that other professions work worse hours than we do.