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> it looks like the Japanese would rather die (slowly, and then perhaps very suddenly as the weight of their society can no longer be borne by the next generati
by nhchris 4y ago
> it looks like the Japanese would rather die (slowly, and then perhaps very suddenly as the weight of their society can no longer be borne by the next generation) than change.
Countries that do have significant immigration rarely see an increase in the native fertility rate. So the Japanese will die regardless*, immigration just means someone else will also inhabit their country.
In other words, you're offering a solution for the Japanese landmass, not the Japanese people.
*Assuming current trends hold for centuries, which they surely won't.
- jacooper 4y ago> In other words, you're offering a solution for the Japanese landmass, not the Japanese people. Actually no, because these immigrants are not going to replace the entire Japanese population in one click, rather they will keep the country running and prevent the economic system from crashing in front of new Japanese kids. Basically supplement the needed kids to reach/exceed the replacement rate. I doubt that's going to be the majority of kids in the case of Japan.
- nhchris 4y ago> immigrants are not going to replace the entire Japanese population in one click Same thing, just gradual instead of instant.
- jacooper 4y agoOnly if Japan is absolutely not having any new native kids, which isn't true. As I said the goal here is to supplement native kids with immigration, not replace them.
- slaw 4y agoDo you think if you replace Japanese kid with some other kid it will magically become Japanese? It doesn't work in Germany.
- foldr 4y agoIt mostly doesn't work because it's very difficult for the children of immigrants to become German citizens. For a country where it works, see e.g. the USA. Germans, Irish people, Chinese people, etc. etc. have all 'magically' turned into Americans over the course of the country's history.
- jacooper 4y agoI think its kind of unfair to compare america to Germany. America is really an immigrants country, and its easy to integrate there compared to countries which have less of a globalized culture, such arguably Germany and maybe the UK.
- foldr 4y agoThat’s up to Germany, right? If racial purity is a requirement for being German then it will be harder to integrate immigrants. I’d suggest just dropping the requirement. The UK has much less of a problem with the concept of ethnically diverse British people (though it still has a long way to go). Anyone who thinks that it takes ‘magic’ to turn someone who was born in Germany or Japan into a German or Japanese person is implicitly subscribing to some bogus theory of racially pure nations. (See e.g. your sibling comment, by someone who’s persistently been repeating far right talking points over the past few months.)
- jacooper 4y agoI didn't mean racial purity, rather how specific German culture and the German language with all of its dialects is to Germany. Its not very globalized like American culture.
- foldr 4y agoKids who grow up in Germany will grow up speaking the local dialect of German and internalize the local culture. There's not much of a problem there. That is, unless you are someone who thinks that language and culture are tied to race. While I am not suggesting that you personally think this, it's an idea that clearly lurks in the background of these sorts of concerns (as you can see elsewhere in this thread).