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I don't think there's any shortage of managers who actually think people work better when able to collaborate in person. In addition to the ones that just want

I don't think there's any shortage of managers who actually think people work better when able to collaborate in person. In addition to the ones that just want to see your butt in a chair. It does not help that there is also no shortage of people who used the remote-work opportunity to put in a whole lot less effort.

cwdegidio 4y ago
I love the "in person collaboration" line... only to show up to the office and be stuck on zoom calls all day with your distributed team. I DO think that in-person collaboration can happen with RTTO, but when everyone is on zoom all day, it makes me think there are other reasons and this is just smoke and mirrors.
- antisthenes 4y ago
  Yep, and I absolutely "love" collaborating with a group of 10 people in the office, all of whom are trying to use a crappy singular microphone, while carrying side conversations that the rest of the remote workers can hear.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  I suspect a lot of the diversity of opinions seen on HN is because everyone's office experience can be very different. My team survives well enough as remote developers, but that's only part of the story. For coding, the team is doing great. But as an internal tool team a lot of our customers are people in our own department, and that collaboration has definitely suffered. Technically we can do all the same communication with them via zoom, but as a practical matter it doesn't happen to nearly the extent. For us it's a moot point for now, we dropped the lease on the office downtown and have not figured out what a replacement would look like. We can't go back in even if we want to.
- wkat4242 4y ago
  It's also incredibly annoying trying to work in an open plan office where everyone is on a different call. I absolutely hate it.
pgwhalen 4y ago
There isn’t any shortage of ICs who genuinely think those things either. It often seems outside of the HN Overton Window to acknowledge that though.

cwdegidio 4y ago

I love the "in person collaboration" line... only to show up to the office and be stuck on zoom calls all day with your distributed team. I DO think that in-person collaboration can happen with RTTO, but when everyone is on zoom all day, it makes me think there are other reasons and this is just smoke and mirrors.

antisthenes 4y ago
Yep, and I absolutely "love" collaborating with a group of 10 people in the office, all of whom are trying to use a crappy singular microphone, while carrying side conversations that the rest of the remote workers can hear.
rootusrootus 4y ago
I suspect a lot of the diversity of opinions seen on HN is because everyone's office experience can be very different. My team survives well enough as remote developers, but that's only part of the story. For coding, the team is doing great. But as an internal tool team a lot of our customers are people in our own department, and that collaboration has definitely suffered. Technically we can do all the same communication with them via zoom, but as a practical matter it doesn't happen to nearly the extent. For us it's a moot point for now, we dropped the lease on the office downtown and have not figured out what a replacement would look like. We can't go back in even if we want to.
wkat4242 4y ago
It's also incredibly annoying trying to work in an open plan office where everyone is on a different call. I absolutely hate it.

pgwhalen 4y ago

There isn’t any shortage of ICs who genuinely think those things either. It often seems outside of the HN Overton Window to acknowledge that though.