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Struggling to conceive is the result of starting too late in their life to have children. > A woman's fertility peaks lasts during the twenties and first half

by slaw 4y ago

Struggling to conceive is the result of starting too late in their life to have children. > A woman's fertility peaks lasts during the twenties and first half of thirties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_maternal_age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_maternal_age

lostlogin 4y ago
*for some, or even many. Not all.
- red-iron-pine 4y ago
  Not all indeed. But across a population of millions, that has a serious impact. The US has 330 million people, and assuming a roughly equal split means you're looking at ~165 million Men and 165 million women. Assume that 1/3 of those 165 million women are able to have kids -- they're not too young, or post-menopausal. That's ~55 million women who can have kids. If there is even a tiny amount of issues with being over age, like that only impacts 1-4% of pregnant women, that's still anywhere form 0.5 to 2.2 million pregnancies. 2 million babies that are going to not happen, or have problems. There are US states with fewer people. Even a tiny variance here can impact large populations greatly.
dumbotron 4y ago
In the west, this is a big issue because feminism told women they can have it all. Turns out work doesn't leave much time for having kids. I think men actually have the same issue, though more because a lack of social safety net and capitalism drives them to produce rather than have balance in their lives. Something's off with society and incentives, but I'm at a loss for how to fix it.
- swagasaurus-rex 4y ago
  Looks at costs. Poor nations have high fertility. Rich nations have low fertility despite having an abundance of everything people in poor nations would clamor for.
  - 1letterunixname 4y ago
    Rich nations tend to be poor in social connectedness and community. This means dating and maintaining friendships is more difficult in richer nations. Taking the context of dating in richer nations: If a dude from a rich country wanted to find a good wife, they would probably be better off looking in poorer nations where people aren't as likely to be spoiled, self-absorbed shits. Women in richer nations tend to want to screw around until they're 35-45 and then have an instant husband and kids. The last apartment complex I made the misfortune of selecting was bursting with mostly non-Ivy League office workers whose sole goals in life were sex, drugs, alcoholism, and imagining themselves as wealthy celebrity IG models. <unsolicited-dating-advice-department> I turned down this absolutely gorgeous woman mid-/early-20's who telegraphed she was self-centered, superficial, uncurious, and in a "maybe open" relationship, e.g., open to fooling around or an upgrade. The advice bit: A dude (or anyone really) can save themselves much grief by not monopolizing conversation and actively listen to the words and actions of others. In my calculus, it's cheaper and less painful to get an FWB if you need that but keep them at a distance. Most just aren't relationship material. Plus, I don't see how anyone in a richer country can find a reliable spouse when there is zero social context and zero accountability for behavior: dating apps only exacerbate the situation.
    - slaw 4y ago
      I generally agree, but you should change your opinion on poorer countries. The trend you describe is spreading everywhere. Even in that article they mention Thailand’s rate in 2022 was estimated at 1.32
      - 1letterunixname 4y ago
        This partially true as an overall trend, but is thankfully, not yet a universal fact. The "flattening" effects of globalization bring diabetes, divorce, and time and distance between relatives. 80's Eddie Murphy ridiculous bits notwithstanding, places like Rwanda are still socially conservative and fairly traditional. Certain Catholic-heavy countries and small island nations also tend to be very traditional. I don't mean "backwards" in ways like the Taliban, but have greater social cohesion, a sense that other people matter, and neighborliness.
- nhchris 4y ago
  > feminism told women they can have it all. Turns out work doesn't leave much time for having kids. How many jobs are fulfilling enough one would want to sacrifice family time, or even just housework for? Doctors, scientists, architects, engineers, artists.. after that, the vast majority of jobs are just a way to make ends meet, not a means of self-fulfillment.

by slaw 4y ago

lostlogin 4y ago

*for some, or even many. Not all.

red-iron-pine 4y ago
Not all indeed. But across a population of millions, that has a serious impact. The US has 330 million people, and assuming a roughly equal split means you're looking at ~165 million Men and 165 million women. Assume that 1/3 of those 165 million women are able to have kids -- they're not too young, or post-menopausal. That's ~55 million women who can have kids. If there is even a tiny amount of issues with being over age, like that only impacts 1-4% of pregnant women, that's still anywhere form 0.5 to 2.2 million pregnancies. 2 million babies that are going to not happen, or have problems. There are US states with fewer people. Even a tiny variance here can impact large populations greatly.

dumbotron 4y ago

In the west, this is a big issue because feminism told women they can have it all. Turns out work doesn't leave much time for having kids. I think men actually have the same issue, though more because a lack of social safety net and capitalism drives them to produce rather than have balance in their lives. Something's off with society and incentives, but I'm at a loss for how to fix it.

swagasaurus-rex 4y ago
Looks at costs. Poor nations have high fertility. Rich nations have low fertility despite having an abundance of everything people in poor nations would clamor for.
- 1letterunixname 4y ago
  Rich nations tend to be poor in social connectedness and community. This means dating and maintaining friendships is more difficult in richer nations. Taking the context of dating in richer nations: If a dude from a rich country wanted to find a good wife, they would probably be better off looking in poorer nations where people aren't as likely to be spoiled, self-absorbed shits. Women in richer nations tend to want to screw around until they're 35-45 and then have an instant husband and kids. The last apartment complex I made the misfortune of selecting was bursting with mostly non-Ivy League office workers whose sole goals in life were sex, drugs, alcoholism, and imagining themselves as wealthy celebrity IG models. <unsolicited-dating-advice-department> I turned down this absolutely gorgeous woman mid-/early-20's who telegraphed she was self-centered, superficial, uncurious, and in a "maybe open" relationship, e.g., open to fooling around or an upgrade. The advice bit: A dude (or anyone really) can save themselves much grief by not monopolizing conversation and actively listen to the words and actions of others. In my calculus, it's cheaper and less painful to get an FWB if you need that but keep them at a distance. Most just aren't relationship material. Plus, I don't see how anyone in a richer country can find a reliable spouse when there is zero social context and zero accountability for behavior: dating apps only exacerbate the situation.
  - slaw 4y ago
    I generally agree, but you should change your opinion on poorer countries. The trend you describe is spreading everywhere. Even in that article they mention Thailand’s rate in 2022 was estimated at 1.32
    - 1letterunixname 4y ago
      This partially true as an overall trend, but is thankfully, not yet a universal fact. The "flattening" effects of globalization bring diabetes, divorce, and time and distance between relatives. 80's Eddie Murphy ridiculous bits notwithstanding, places like Rwanda are still socially conservative and fairly traditional. Certain Catholic-heavy countries and small island nations also tend to be very traditional. I don't mean "backwards" in ways like the Taliban, but have greater social cohesion, a sense that other people matter, and neighborliness.
nhchris 4y ago
> feminism told women they can have it all. Turns out work doesn't leave much time for having kids. How many jobs are fulfilling enough one would want to sacrifice family time, or even just housework for? Doctors, scientists, architects, engineers, artists.. after that, the vast majority of jobs are just a way to make ends meet, not a means of self-fulfillment.