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I don't think the non-technical critique has been addressed at all. It's been downplayed and dismissed to bring the discussion back to the technical accomplishm

I don't think the non-technical critique has been addressed at all. It's been downplayed and dismissed to bring the discussion back to the technical accomplishments. What I'm saying is Rust's technical achievements aren't very useful if adoption isn't there. Adoption depends on getting the non-technical things right. Nothing has been said about how to address the pathology seemingly unique to Rust making it suffocatingly toxic. It's the only programming language in recent memory where people scour the Internet condemning people for writing software in any other language. Even when the software is written in Rust, if it's not to some mythical standard, the community will unleash a wave a hate like in the case of Actix. There's memes about the "Rust evangelist strike force" plaguing open-source software authors to "rewrite it in rust". I can't think of any other language that has anything similar. Shrugging this off is an attempt to diminish and minimize the damage, rather than acknowledging the problem. Presenting a false dichotomy solely on technical merits misses the big picture.

Ygg2 4y ago
> I don't think the non-technical critique has been addressed at all. But I talked about syntax already, what do you...? > Nothing has been said about how to address the pathology seemingly unique to Rust making it suffocatingly toxic. It's the only programming language in recent memory where people scour the Internet condemning people for writing software in any other language Social aspects aren't immutable facts of language, but exterior ever changing things. It's like finding a game having helpful community. Only for it to become toxic later as player count increases. Same can be possible in other direction if Rust becomes more professional/boring. And honestly, I don't care about arguing memes and one incident that was widely panned by everyone close to Rust. RIIR isn't something you get branded with when you write your first Hello World, but something actively discouraged. That said as someone that's neither here nor there, anti-Rust backlash is palpable and might work exactly to ingrain said "Evanglism Strike Force" mindset into it. I find myself defending it more, even though I just want to use it. And don't care too much about community.

Ygg2 4y ago

> I don't think the non-technical critique has been addressed at all. But I talked about syntax already, what do you...? > Nothing has been said about how to address the pathology seemingly unique to Rust making it suffocatingly toxic. It's the only programming language in recent memory where people scour the Internet condemning people for writing software in any other language Social aspects aren't immutable facts of language, but exterior ever changing things. It's like finding a game having helpful community. Only for it to become toxic later as player count increases. Same can be possible in other direction if Rust becomes more professional/boring. And honestly, I don't care about arguing memes and one incident that was widely panned by everyone close to Rust. RIIR isn't something you get branded with when you write your first Hello World, but something actively discouraged. That said as someone that's neither here nor there, anti-Rust backlash is palpable and might work exactly to ingrain said "Evanglism Strike Force" mindset into it. I find myself defending it more, even though I just want to use it. And don't care too much about community.