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What kind of population control did Japan engage in in the 60s?

pyuser583 4y ago
The really terrible kind. Japanese doctors made a big chunk of their money performing abortions. They lobbied to outlaw most forms of birth control, because it interfered with their abortion revenue. There are plenty of stories of Japanese doctors saying, “Your pregnancy test is positive, when should we schedule the abortion?” This wasn’t formal government policy, but the government did support it. The birth control pill wasn’t legalized in Japan until the 1999. Plan B wasn’t legalized until 2011. Abortion by medication is still illegal.
- vlovich123 4y ago
  I agree if there would be more birth control there would be fewer abortions and I agree it sucks that abortion by medication is still illegal. It sounds inhuman. I'm missing though the jump you're making as to how that would result in more births unless you're suggesting that you ban birth control and abortions but that doesn't seem like your position.
  - pyuser583 4y ago
    > I'm missing though the jump you're making as to how that would result in more births Did I say that it resulted in more births? I don’t think it did.
    - vlovich123 4y ago
      Here's the conversation I read. >>> Asian societies turned population control into a quasi-religious endeavor in the 1960s and are now paying the price >> What kind of population control did Japan engage in in the 60s? > Your response about no prescription abortions and birth control but instead doctors push abortions. I'm totally missing your point about how Japan is engaging in population control. For example, if prescription abortions were legal and they pushed birth control instead, is the net effect a meaningful change in policy that would prevent them from "now paying the price"? I guess I'm totally missing how your criticism of their policies relates back to the original discussion that Japan's low birth rates are a result of population control and how addressing the critique you wrote would in any way change their birth rate.
      - pyuser583 4y ago
        A culture where doctors respond to a positive pregnancy test by asking when (not if) to schedule an abortion is likely to lead to fewer births.
- eyphka 4y ago
  Wow that's insane, is there any references or reading on this? Tried to find sources and having difficulty.
  - red-iron-pine 4y ago
    here let me google that for you. "japan birth control policy" came up with this VERY detailed NIH discussion of Pst-WW2 Japanese birth control policy. literally first hit. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK402326/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK402326/
  - pyuser583 4y ago
    Sadly, many of my sources, including the story of a western woman who was asked by her Japanese doctor when she wanted to schedule the abortion, are no longer googleable. Even specific very specific queries aren’t returning anything. It seems search engines are focusing more on what they want to show you, rather than what you want to see.

The really terrible kind. Japanese doctors made a big chunk of their money performing abortions. They lobbied to outlaw most forms of birth control, because it interfered with their abortion revenue. There are plenty of stories of Japanese doctors saying, “Your pregnancy test is positive, when should we schedule the abortion?” This wasn’t formal government policy, but the government did support it. The birth control pill wasn’t legalized in Japan until the 1999. Plan B wasn’t legalized until 2011. Abortion by medication is still illegal.

vlovich123 4y ago
I agree if there would be more birth control there would be fewer abortions and I agree it sucks that abortion by medication is still illegal. It sounds inhuman. I'm missing though the jump you're making as to how that would result in more births unless you're suggesting that you ban birth control and abortions but that doesn't seem like your position.
- pyuser583 4y ago
  > I'm missing though the jump you're making as to how that would result in more births Did I say that it resulted in more births? I don’t think it did.
  - vlovich123 4y ago
    Here's the conversation I read. >>> Asian societies turned population control into a quasi-religious endeavor in the 1960s and are now paying the price >> What kind of population control did Japan engage in in the 60s? > Your response about no prescription abortions and birth control but instead doctors push abortions. I'm totally missing your point about how Japan is engaging in population control. For example, if prescription abortions were legal and they pushed birth control instead, is the net effect a meaningful change in policy that would prevent them from "now paying the price"? I guess I'm totally missing how your criticism of their policies relates back to the original discussion that Japan's low birth rates are a result of population control and how addressing the critique you wrote would in any way change their birth rate.
    - pyuser583 4y ago
      A culture where doctors respond to a positive pregnancy test by asking when (not if) to schedule an abortion is likely to lead to fewer births.
eyphka 4y ago
Wow that's insane, is there any references or reading on this? Tried to find sources and having difficulty.
- red-iron-pine 4y ago
  here let me google that for you. "japan birth control policy" came up with this VERY detailed NIH discussion of Pst-WW2 Japanese birth control policy. literally first hit. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK402326/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK402326/
- pyuser583 4y ago
  Sadly, many of my sources, including the story of a western woman who was asked by her Japanese doctor when she wanted to schedule the abortion, are no longer googleable. Even specific very specific queries aren’t returning anything. It seems search engines are focusing more on what they want to show you, rather than what you want to see.