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> A yes volunteers that happen to be Russian, with Russian weapons, and Russian equipment funny that isn't it. Let me ask you this: is everyone who owns an Ame

> A yes volunteers that happen to be Russian, with Russian weapons, and Russian equipment funny that isn't it. Let me ask you this: is everyone who owns an American gun an American trooper? > you won't believe any of that evidence because... ...you will never deliver it. This seems to be a reoccurring problem with you. I've already pointed out that you don't link your sources, and you keep talking out of your ass. > Theres no need to be rude, personal attacks against people are against the rules on hacker news. It's not a personal attack, my dear. Personal attack is an appeal to some quality of an opponent. There was none. I just told you, that if you can't back up your crazy "objectively true" claims then better keep them to yourself. > Russian soldiers, have been seen on camera many times just straight out executing citizens, I mean im sure you'll find a way to justify a Russian tank deleting a vehicle in a town they where meant to be 'liberating'. Ukrainian soldiers, have been seen on camera many times just straight out executing citizens, I mean im sure you'll find a way to justify a Ukrainian tank shooting at a school in a town they where meant to be 'liberating'. > But they posted it AS them castrating the Ukrainian, so once again this is just straight up mind blowingly stupid. It was just a theory. Since you haven't linked the source yet, I'm not aware of the whole context of this post. So yeah. Sources again. > The Russians have a reputation for kinda doing terrible things during wars so saying something like "it's just Russians being Russians" is not meant to be literally applied to every Russian but more to the situation. How exactly did they get such reputation? Ah, USA propaganda, alright. Ever since the cold war they were trying to smear reputation of USSR soilders, now they do the same shit to Russia. Let's take for example the "Bucha massacre". Ukrainian trooper's posted horrifying pictures of bodies laying all over the street, they claim it's Russians who did it. ONE HOUR LATER western politicians already post shit like "WE KNOW THE TRUTH, ITS RUSSIA WHO DID IT". No investigation required. Ukraine can post ANYTHING, and they will happily accept it. Because it's convenient. Yet the Russian side was on the more rational side, actually trying to investigate stuff, a lot of people noticed that circumstances about this incident just didn't match up. But the west didn't care. And the amount of such cases is just too big now. It's much easier to produce bullshit than to disprove it. But the fact is it's USA army who's known for atrocities during war. Like shit they did in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, and so and so on... They were ruthless. The amount of war crimes committed by them just in 21st century probably exceeds all of humanity previously. Their officials singing in a cheery voice shit like "bomb bomb bomb Iran". Why don't you talk shit about them? Ah, they were bombing brown people, they probably are worth less to you.

_kbh_ 4y ago
> Let me ask you this: is everyone who owns an American gun an American trooper? When they are operating an American Patriot missile system they just might be. > Ukrainian soldiers, have been seen on camera many times just straight out executing citizens, I mean im sure you'll find a way to justify a Ukrainian tank shooting at a school in a town they where meant to be 'liberating'. Okay show me some evidence that isn't from some Russian propagandist site. It also doesn't at all excuse the Russian crimes, but if you want to think that Ukrainians doing bad stuff justify Russians raping children go for it I guess. > It was just a theory. Since you haven't linked the source yet, I'm not aware of the whole context of this post. So yeah. Sources again. A theory with no credibility either. > How exactly did they get such reputation? Ah, USA propaganda, alright. Ever since the cold war they were trying to smear reputation of USSR soilders, now they do the same shit to Russia. Let's take for example the "Bucha massacre". Ah yes, I keep forgetting its all USA propaganda everything that Russia has every done thats terrible, even if its caught in 4k, with an admission on camera its all 'fake news propaganda'. > But the fact is it's USA army who's known for atrocities during war. Like shit they did in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, and so and so on... They were ruthless. The amount of war crimes committed by them just in 21st century probably exceeds all of humanity previously. Their officials singing in a cheery voice shit like "bomb bomb bomb Iran". > Why don't you talk shit about them? Ah, they were bombing brown people, they probably are worth less to you. The Americans did terrible things in a large number of countries in the 21st and 20th century and should have never entered a large number if not all the wars they where in. But this whataboutism doesn't stop the fact that Russian troops, torture and rape civilians and commit other horrendous warcrimes in Ukraine. I just admitted America did terrible things. Now why don't you admit that Russia should get out of Ukraine and stop committing all the war crimes they seem endlessly commit. Your response will no doubt be laden with claims about it all being fake news and you will somehow justify all of the heinous acts they commit.
- akamaine 4y ago
  Okay, my fren, you bring up this rape allegations a lot so let's clear that up once and for all: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/05/rape-allegations-against-russian-troops-in-ukraine-were-fake.html https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/05/rape-allegations-again... https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-06-02-ukraine-fires-human-rights-chief-russian-rape.html https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-06-02-ukraine-fires-human-r... https://waronfakes.com/common/fake-russian-soldiers-are-raping-women-and-teenagers/ https://waronfakes.com/common/fake-russian-soldiers-are-rapi... > Okay show me some evidence that isn't from some Russian propagandist site. Though I don't fully get what defines "propagandist site", but ok, I'll try: https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/osce-reports-reveal-ukraine-started https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/osce-reports-reveal-ukraine-s... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/01/31/ukraine-land-mines-russia/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/01/31/ukraine-land... https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/04/a-ukrainian-tochka-u-missile-killed-dozens-at-kramatorsk-train-station.html https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/04/a-ukrainian-tochka-u-m... https://tass.com/emergencies/1434847 https://tass.com/emergencies/1434847 https://beyondhighbrow.com/2022/03/29/ukrainians-torturing-people-and-war-crimes-videos/ https://beyondhighbrow.com/2022/03/29/ukrainians-torturing-p... https://www.sott.net/article/293871-Ukraine-war-crimes-report-Torture-and-inhumane-treatment-of-civilians https://www.sott.net/article/293871-Ukraine-war-crimes-repor... See? Ukraine does some fucked up shit too. Didn't you know about it? > A theory with no credibility either. You gave me nothing to work with aside from "I saw it in some pro-russian tg channel", I could come up with dozens of similar shit from pro-ukrainian channels. > caught in 4k, with an admission on camera its all 'fake news propaganda'. Link the video then. > Russia should get out of Ukraine They will. Once the goals of special operation are achieved. Leaving right now is not an option. Leaving right now means losing. It means that abandoning people who waited so long for Russia to protect them. If Russia leaves now all of them will be in danger. So the only option is to fight until victorious end. And Russia will win. Whether you like it or not. All the NATO is doing is prolonging the suffering of both Ukraine and Russia, while also making some buck. > and stop committing all the war crimes they seem endlessly commit. yeah, "seem". And don't get me wrong. I'm not denying that probably some of this war crime allegations are probably true, but it's over the top what the west claims. Ukraine is also guilty with evidence, but the west seems hesitant to talk about it, and maybe some of this is fake, but now it's too early to decide. The nature of the situation in Ukraine rn doesn't accommodate for real thorough investigation. Plus the information warfare going on, and Russian propaganda machine sucks compared to NATO's. Every side tries to smear the other, and it's really hard to tell what's true and what's a lie. This argument is kinda getting old. I'm tired of talking in circles. I'm tired of trying to educate you that it's not so one-sided. This is maybe, probably my last message in this thread. All I want is peace between our countries once again. But the capitalist pigs and sellout media don't exactly help the cause. My whataboutism is there to show that we are all the same. So please stop perpetuating hate towards Russia just because your media told you so. Try to really analyze the situation. When you see some information look who profits from that information, then look for other sources. The situation is probably more complex than was presented to you initially. And finally read some Marx and Lenin, especially the "Imperialism as the highest form of capitalism" it thoroughly explains why capitalism is incompatible with peaceful coexistence.

_kbh_ 4y ago

> Let me ask you this: is everyone who owns an American gun an American trooper? When they are operating an American Patriot missile system they just might be. > Ukrainian soldiers, have been seen on camera many times just straight out executing citizens, I mean im sure you'll find a way to justify a Ukrainian tank shooting at a school in a town they where meant to be 'liberating'. Okay show me some evidence that isn't from some Russian propagandist site. It also doesn't at all excuse the Russian crimes, but if you want to think that Ukrainians doing bad stuff justify Russians raping children go for it I guess. > It was just a theory. Since you haven't linked the source yet, I'm not aware of the whole context of this post. So yeah. Sources again. A theory with no credibility either. > How exactly did they get such reputation? Ah, USA propaganda, alright. Ever since the cold war they were trying to smear reputation of USSR soilders, now they do the same shit to Russia. Let's take for example the "Bucha massacre". Ah yes, I keep forgetting its all USA propaganda everything that Russia has every done thats terrible, even if its caught in 4k, with an admission on camera its all 'fake news propaganda'. > But the fact is it's USA army who's known for atrocities during war. Like shit they did in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, and so and so on... They were ruthless. The amount of war crimes committed by them just in 21st century probably exceeds all of humanity previously. Their officials singing in a cheery voice shit like "bomb bomb bomb Iran". > Why don't you talk shit about them? Ah, they were bombing brown people, they probably are worth less to you. The Americans did terrible things in a large number of countries in the 21st and 20th century and should have never entered a large number if not all the wars they where in. But this whataboutism doesn't stop the fact that Russian troops, torture and rape civilians and commit other horrendous warcrimes in Ukraine. I just admitted America did terrible things. Now why don't you admit that Russia should get out of Ukraine and stop committing all the war crimes they seem endlessly commit. Your response will no doubt be laden with claims about it all being fake news and you will somehow justify all of the heinous acts they commit.

akamaine 4y ago
Okay, my fren, you bring up this rape allegations a lot so let's clear that up once and for all: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/05/rape-allegations-against-russian-troops-in-ukraine-were-fake.html https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/05/rape-allegations-again... https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-06-02-ukraine-fires-human-rights-chief-russian-rape.html https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-06-02-ukraine-fires-human-r... https://waronfakes.com/common/fake-russian-soldiers-are-raping-women-and-teenagers/ https://waronfakes.com/common/fake-russian-soldiers-are-rapi... > Okay show me some evidence that isn't from some Russian propagandist site. Though I don't fully get what defines "propagandist site", but ok, I'll try: https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/osce-reports-reveal-ukraine-started https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/osce-reports-reveal-ukraine-s... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/01/31/ukraine-land-mines-russia/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/01/31/ukraine-land... https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/04/a-ukrainian-tochka-u-missile-killed-dozens-at-kramatorsk-train-station.html https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/04/a-ukrainian-tochka-u-m... https://tass.com/emergencies/1434847 https://tass.com/emergencies/1434847 https://beyondhighbrow.com/2022/03/29/ukrainians-torturing-people-and-war-crimes-videos/ https://beyondhighbrow.com/2022/03/29/ukrainians-torturing-p... https://www.sott.net/article/293871-Ukraine-war-crimes-report-Torture-and-inhumane-treatment-of-civilians https://www.sott.net/article/293871-Ukraine-war-crimes-repor... See? Ukraine does some fucked up shit too. Didn't you know about it? > A theory with no credibility either. You gave me nothing to work with aside from "I saw it in some pro-russian tg channel", I could come up with dozens of similar shit from pro-ukrainian channels. > caught in 4k, with an admission on camera its all 'fake news propaganda'. Link the video then. > Russia should get out of Ukraine They will. Once the goals of special operation are achieved. Leaving right now is not an option. Leaving right now means losing. It means that abandoning people who waited so long for Russia to protect them. If Russia leaves now all of them will be in danger. So the only option is to fight until victorious end. And Russia will win. Whether you like it or not. All the NATO is doing is prolonging the suffering of both Ukraine and Russia, while also making some buck. > and stop committing all the war crimes they seem endlessly commit. yeah, "seem". And don't get me wrong. I'm not denying that probably some of this war crime allegations are probably true, but it's over the top what the west claims. Ukraine is also guilty with evidence, but the west seems hesitant to talk about it, and maybe some of this is fake, but now it's too early to decide. The nature of the situation in Ukraine rn doesn't accommodate for real thorough investigation. Plus the information warfare going on, and Russian propaganda machine sucks compared to NATO's. Every side tries to smear the other, and it's really hard to tell what's true and what's a lie. This argument is kinda getting old. I'm tired of talking in circles. I'm tired of trying to educate you that it's not so one-sided. This is maybe, probably my last message in this thread. All I want is peace between our countries once again. But the capitalist pigs and sellout media don't exactly help the cause. My whataboutism is there to show that we are all the same. So please stop perpetuating hate towards Russia just because your media told you so. Try to really analyze the situation. When you see some information look who profits from that information, then look for other sources. The situation is probably more complex than was presented to you initially. And finally read some Marx and Lenin, especially the "Imperialism as the highest form of capitalism" it thoroughly explains why capitalism is incompatible with peaceful coexistence.