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I think more fundamentally, youtube is far less vulnerable to the chatgpt garbagisation of the web. SEO crap is already bad, it will likely get much worse. You

I think more fundamentally, youtube is far less vulnerable to the chatgpt garbagisation of the web. SEO crap is already bad, it will likely get much worse. Youtube has actual good content from creators whose opinions I trust. Google would be moronic to give that up, they've spent long enough building it.

jeffwask 4y ago
> the chatgpt garbagisation of the web Eh... it's already started on YouTube. There's a whole new genre of movie content that has chatgpt summarize the movie while they play 15 minutes of clips. It's higher effort garbagisation because someone needs to at least do some low effort video editing.
- echelon 4y ago
  Full video automation is not going to take long. I'm working on systems to automate 100% of video workflows (in a good way). We recently launched a 24/7 news channel: https://fakeyou.com/news https://fakeyou.com/news
  - EForEndeavour 4y ago
    What do you mean "in a good way"? How do you control whether someone using your video workflow automation uses it for good (whatever that is) or not?
    - echelon 4y ago
      How does Adobe assure this? Or any tool maker? Email has problems, yet the good and productive uses vastly outweigh the bad actors. The vast majority of systems humans use have benefit, otherwise they would be unwound by governments (eg. crypto). People want to be creative more than they want to be destructive. The destroyers will be moderated, just as they are in every system. I want a world where every kid can make their own Star Wars or Princess Mononoke and create more than Scorsese's entire career within a single year.
      - jeffwask 4y ago
        > I want a world where every kid can make their own Star Wars or Princess Mononoke and create more than Scorsese's entire career within a single year. Rad goal. Good luck as someone who consumes more YouTube than mainstream content. I'm all for unlocking the potential of creators.
      - deleted 4y ago
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      - 91bananas 4y ago
        Most of the rest of us don't.
        echelon 4y ago
        "ought to be enough for anybody" If things stay the same as ever, this life will have been boring. I'm not cut out for another twenty years of smartphone incrementalism. Fuck the status quo. I don't live for "same". Everything in the world as it exists isn't enough. The future could be the most exciting thing if we dream and build it.
        deleted 4y ago
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        barneygale 4y ago
        Have you considered a career in subsistence farming? You're likely to be less damaging to the world.
        echelon 4y ago
        I'm a filmmaker and love the arts more than you'll know. You're being incredibly sour, and I guarantee you that acting the way you do toward other humans (and yourself) subtracts way more from the universe. I feel sorry for you.
        4y ago
  - ramphastidae 4y ago
    Doesn’t seem to be working?
  - mustacheemperor 4y ago
    I just tried to check out your 24/7 news channel and it is currently a twitch stream of a windows desktop wallpaper.
    - mustacheemperor 4y ago
      Working now! Pretty dang cool, too.
  - xboxnolifes 4y ago
    Full video automation has been done for years. There is one infamous channel that automatically scrapes stack overflow posts and makes video versions of the questions.
    - echelon 4y ago
      Yeah, well, now we need to make it good. I want to put mocap and editing into this. Humans can tweak high level knobs, then dive into specifics.
- 8note 4y ago
  That sounds quite similar to Grian's videos being published as books https://youtu.be/JypgASKSRZc https://youtu.be/JypgASKSRZc
xhkkffbf 4y ago
Ah, I've been seeing more and more videos that were clearly tossed together by some algorithm using a synthetic voice. The text may even be largely written by an AI and then proofed by a human. They use the same clips again and again, almost in rotation. I think they're slowly going to drown out the good producers.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  Those synthetic voices drive me insane. Nothing makes me stop watching a video faster.
  - arcticfox 4y ago
    The TikTok woman voice is so grating it's oddly fascinating. It might be the most annoying voice I've ever heard but yet... edit: TIL it's a real person and she (can) sound exactly like the TTS version... I'm cracking up listening to her. Thank goodness it's something she can turn on and off.
    - spiralx 4y ago
      Her second video makes it clearest that it's her voice that really is that chirpy :) https://www.tiktok.com/@voiceofkat/video/7157105733128015109 https://www.tiktok.com/@voiceofkat/video/7157105733128015109
    - zamnos 4y ago
      Now you can put whatever words in her mouth you want: https://github.com/oscie57/tiktok-voice https://github.com/oscie57/tiktok-voice
rchaud 4y ago
YouTube was the home of AI-generated cartoon videos for kids. Remember the whole uproar about "Elsagate"? That was more than 5 years ago! When you say "SEO crap", you mean text search. But the world is much bigger than text search today, lots of people use YT as a search engine. Because of that, the "Front Page" of Youtube looks like dumpster fire of the worst clickbait you can imagine.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  I don't mean to put words in his mouth, but when he said "SEO crap", I think he meant "scummy marketing crap", not SEO specifically.
  - dageshi 4y ago
    Yeah basically. If people are watching AI stuff for entertainment, I don't really care or particularly think it's a problem. My issue is the impossibility of finding good information on any kind of paid products or services on the web. Youtube genuinely does a better job on that and I think it'll be quite a bit harder for AI generated video to game it, if nothing else the sub count on the channel and the comment section (or its status as disabled) will be indicators.
dfinninger 4y ago
Well, not really. I follow a few channels that tell interesting true stories over some photos of and around the event. Over the past year or so a few of them have started supplementing with AI, but others have just gone all in. Posts are much more frequent, but the music is AI generated, the pictures are all AI, and the script in an AI expansion of a Wikipedia article. Someone still has to edit it together (for now), but all the content is AI-based. I’ve been unsubscribing since the quality just isn’t there anymore. Now, this isn’t a problem for the majority of my YouTube consumption, but I’m still seeing it creep in.
smm11 4y ago
The internet as we know it is already there, AI talking to AI. The luddites who want the mid-90s environment back were right.

jeffwask 4y ago

> the chatgpt garbagisation of the web Eh... it's already started on YouTube. There's a whole new genre of movie content that has chatgpt summarize the movie while they play 15 minutes of clips. It's higher effort garbagisation because someone needs to at least do some low effort video editing.

echelon 4y ago
Full video automation is not going to take long. I'm working on systems to automate 100% of video workflows (in a good way). We recently launched a 24/7 news channel: https://fakeyou.com/news https://fakeyou.com/news
- EForEndeavour 4y ago
  What do you mean "in a good way"? How do you control whether someone using your video workflow automation uses it for good (whatever that is) or not?
  - echelon 4y ago
    How does Adobe assure this? Or any tool maker? Email has problems, yet the good and productive uses vastly outweigh the bad actors. The vast majority of systems humans use have benefit, otherwise they would be unwound by governments (eg. crypto). People want to be creative more than they want to be destructive. The destroyers will be moderated, just as they are in every system. I want a world where every kid can make their own Star Wars or Princess Mononoke and create more than Scorsese's entire career within a single year.
    - jeffwask 4y ago
      > I want a world where every kid can make their own Star Wars or Princess Mononoke and create more than Scorsese's entire career within a single year. Rad goal. Good luck as someone who consumes more YouTube than mainstream content. I'm all for unlocking the potential of creators.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - 91bananas 4y ago
      Most of the rest of us don't.
      - echelon 4y ago
        "ought to be enough for anybody" If things stay the same as ever, this life will have been boring. I'm not cut out for another twenty years of smartphone incrementalism. Fuck the status quo. I don't live for "same". Everything in the world as it exists isn't enough. The future could be the most exciting thing if we dream and build it.
        deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
        barneygale 4y ago
        Have you considered a career in subsistence farming? You're likely to be less damaging to the world.
        echelon 4y ago
        I'm a filmmaker and love the arts more than you'll know. You're being incredibly sour, and I guarantee you that acting the way you do toward other humans (and yourself) subtracts way more from the universe. I feel sorry for you.
        4y ago
- ramphastidae 4y ago
  Doesn’t seem to be working?
- mustacheemperor 4y ago
  I just tried to check out your 24/7 news channel and it is currently a twitch stream of a windows desktop wallpaper.
  - mustacheemperor 4y ago
    Working now! Pretty dang cool, too.
- xboxnolifes 4y ago
  Full video automation has been done for years. There is one infamous channel that automatically scrapes stack overflow posts and makes video versions of the questions.
  - echelon 4y ago
    Yeah, well, now we need to make it good. I want to put mocap and editing into this. Humans can tweak high level knobs, then dive into specifics.
8note 4y ago
That sounds quite similar to Grian's videos being published as books https://youtu.be/JypgASKSRZc https://youtu.be/JypgASKSRZc

xhkkffbf 4y ago

Ah, I've been seeing more and more videos that were clearly tossed together by some algorithm using a synthetic voice. The text may even be largely written by an AI and then proofed by a human. They use the same clips again and again, almost in rotation. I think they're slowly going to drown out the good producers.

JohnFen 4y ago
Those synthetic voices drive me insane. Nothing makes me stop watching a video faster.
- arcticfox 4y ago
  The TikTok woman voice is so grating it's oddly fascinating. It might be the most annoying voice I've ever heard but yet... edit: TIL it's a real person and she (can) sound exactly like the TTS version... I'm cracking up listening to her. Thank goodness it's something she can turn on and off.
  - spiralx 4y ago
    Her second video makes it clearest that it's her voice that really is that chirpy :) https://www.tiktok.com/@voiceofkat/video/7157105733128015109 https://www.tiktok.com/@voiceofkat/video/7157105733128015109
  - zamnos 4y ago
    Now you can put whatever words in her mouth you want: https://github.com/oscie57/tiktok-voice https://github.com/oscie57/tiktok-voice

rchaud 4y ago

YouTube was the home of AI-generated cartoon videos for kids. Remember the whole uproar about "Elsagate"? That was more than 5 years ago! When you say "SEO crap", you mean text search. But the world is much bigger than text search today, lots of people use YT as a search engine. Because of that, the "Front Page" of Youtube looks like dumpster fire of the worst clickbait you can imagine.

JohnFen 4y ago
I don't mean to put words in his mouth, but when he said "SEO crap", I think he meant "scummy marketing crap", not SEO specifically.
- dageshi 4y ago
  Yeah basically. If people are watching AI stuff for entertainment, I don't really care or particularly think it's a problem. My issue is the impossibility of finding good information on any kind of paid products or services on the web. Youtube genuinely does a better job on that and I think it'll be quite a bit harder for AI generated video to game it, if nothing else the sub count on the channel and the comment section (or its status as disabled) will be indicators.

dfinninger 4y ago

Well, not really. I follow a few channels that tell interesting true stories over some photos of and around the event. Over the past year or so a few of them have started supplementing with AI, but others have just gone all in. Posts are much more frequent, but the music is AI generated, the pictures are all AI, and the script in an AI expansion of a Wikipedia article. Someone still has to edit it together (for now), but all the content is AI-based. I’ve been unsubscribing since the quality just isn’t there anymore. Now, this isn’t a problem for the majority of my YouTube consumption, but I’m still seeing it creep in.

smm11 4y ago

The internet as we know it is already there, AI talking to AI. The luddites who want the mid-90s environment back were right.