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The one that really boggled me recently: >hey siri, play Chet Baker Sings on the Apple TV >playing the best of chet baker sings on Apple TV >Siri, play the a

The one that really boggled me recently: >hey siri, play Chet Baker Sings on the Apple TV >playing the best of chet baker sings on Apple TV >Siri, play the album “chet baker sings” on Apple TV >playing the best of chet baker sings on Apple TV Those are not the same album…and only one of them is saved in my library, the one I asked for. It failed repeatedly, too. The only response Siri would produce was to insert two new words to my request and then serve that.

LazyMans 4y ago
Years later and my Alexa in my bathroom still only successfully starts NPR when I ask it to maybe 80% of the time. Alexa isn't getting any better at recognizing my voice? At 8am everyday, it hasn't learned I'm likely asking for NPR, not something else? It's not consistent at all. Controlling Hue lights with it is atrocious too. Alexa is purely a dumb voice assistant and there is either a complete lack of investment in it, or that money is invested elsewhere like making Alexa more likely to order too much product off Amazon so someone can point to a chart that shows a bug increased sales.
dmd 4y ago
My experience: > hey siri, play the art of fugue by bach on downstairs > now playing Love The Way You Lie featuring Rihanna, by Eminem, on downstairs And like have apple’s ML people just never even heard of Bayes or what? if i have, in the last few days, asked siri to play debussy, ravel, liszt, and chopin, and today I say “play debussy on downstairs” - and i have never, not once, played any kind of rap or hiphop - why would it... “now playing Ain’t No fun - by Snoop Dogg - on downstairs”?
- nerdponx 4y ago
  For all we know, this part of the algorithm was written up by a software engineer whose PM didn't think they needed to talk to the data scientists because it was just a voice recognition problem and why would you bring in those eggheads who like to talk about uncertainty, they just make things harder.
- ghaff 4y ago
  I really wish I could tell Apple Music: "Unless I explicitly ask for a rap or hiphop song (which, trust me, I almost certainly won't), never ever play one as part of a playlist."
  - lamontcg 4y ago
    The way that ChatGPT works won't help there. If you tell it to write a story about someone who cannot see, then "see" will be pushed higher into its weights and it'll start talking about the stuff the character can see (if you say the character is "blind" then it'll work better). It is a language model that lacks critical reasoning skills.
    - ghaff 4y ago
      In this case, you don't need ML. Apple has a dictionary of music styles and you just need to be able to exclude certain styles.
    - panarky 4y ago
      Have you actually tried this, or are you just assuming that ChatGPT is just a hyped-up autocomplete, simply doing statisitcal next-token prediction with no internal representation of concepts and relationships? Prompt: "Write a three-paragraph story about someone who cannot see." Response: Maria was born without the ability to see. Growing up, she always felt like she was missing out on something that everyone else took for granted. She would hear her friends describe colors and the beauty of nature, and while she could imagine what they were talking about, she knew she could never truly experience it for herself. Despite this, Maria never let her blindness hold her back. She learned to read Braille and used her heightened sense of hearing and touch to navigate the world around her. She even took up piano and became an accomplished musician, playing by ear. One day, Maria met a man named Alex who was fascinated by her ability to navigate the world without sight. He would often accompany her on walks and describe the beauty of the world around them, pointing out flowers and trees and the changing colors of the sky. Maria found herself falling in love with Alex, and although she knew that their lives would be different because of her blindness, she was willing to take the risk. Alex was patient and understanding, and he took the time to learn how to communicate with Maria in a way that she could understand. He even started taking piano lessons so that he could play duets with her. Years went by, and Maria and Alex built a life together filled with love and happiness. While Maria never regained her sight, she realized that she didn't need it to experience the beauty of the world. Through her other senses and the love of those around her, she had everything she needed to live a full and meaningful life.
- alfor 4y ago
  It seems to me those project we intentionally stopped. They could have improved 10X in the last few years but didn’t move a bit. It seems to be more about willingness than capability. Now that ChatGPT is there there is no choice other than to expose what they have of become irrelevant.
- siva7 4y ago
  And i thought i was the only one. Siri is actually their only major product not worth carrying the brand "Apple" if we wanna be brutally honest
cameldrv 4y ago
Lucky you! Half the time I say in my car "Hey Siri, navigate to XYZ", it says in its long-winded way, "XYZ is 2.5 miles from your house and gets 3.5 stars on yelp. Is that the one you want?" Then I say "yes." Siri responds "Navigating to XYZ." Then Siri then just forgets about it and doesn't do anything.

LazyMans 4y ago

Years later and my Alexa in my bathroom still only successfully starts NPR when I ask it to maybe 80% of the time. Alexa isn't getting any better at recognizing my voice? At 8am everyday, it hasn't learned I'm likely asking for NPR, not something else? It's not consistent at all. Controlling Hue lights with it is atrocious too. Alexa is purely a dumb voice assistant and there is either a complete lack of investment in it, or that money is invested elsewhere like making Alexa more likely to order too much product off Amazon so someone can point to a chart that shows a bug increased sales.

dmd 4y ago

My experience: > hey siri, play the art of fugue by bach on downstairs > now playing Love The Way You Lie featuring Rihanna, by Eminem, on downstairs And like have apple’s ML people just never even heard of Bayes or what? if i have, in the last few days, asked siri to play debussy, ravel, liszt, and chopin, and today I say “play debussy on downstairs” - and i have never, not once, played any kind of rap or hiphop - why would it... “now playing Ain’t No fun - by Snoop Dogg - on downstairs”?

nerdponx 4y ago
For all we know, this part of the algorithm was written up by a software engineer whose PM didn't think they needed to talk to the data scientists because it was just a voice recognition problem and why would you bring in those eggheads who like to talk about uncertainty, they just make things harder.
ghaff 4y ago
I really wish I could tell Apple Music: "Unless I explicitly ask for a rap or hiphop song (which, trust me, I almost certainly won't), never ever play one as part of a playlist."
- lamontcg 4y ago
  The way that ChatGPT works won't help there. If you tell it to write a story about someone who cannot see, then "see" will be pushed higher into its weights and it'll start talking about the stuff the character can see (if you say the character is "blind" then it'll work better). It is a language model that lacks critical reasoning skills.
  - ghaff 4y ago
    In this case, you don't need ML. Apple has a dictionary of music styles and you just need to be able to exclude certain styles.
  - panarky 4y ago
    Have you actually tried this, or are you just assuming that ChatGPT is just a hyped-up autocomplete, simply doing statisitcal next-token prediction with no internal representation of concepts and relationships? Prompt: "Write a three-paragraph story about someone who cannot see." Response: Maria was born without the ability to see. Growing up, she always felt like she was missing out on something that everyone else took for granted. She would hear her friends describe colors and the beauty of nature, and while she could imagine what they were talking about, she knew she could never truly experience it for herself. Despite this, Maria never let her blindness hold her back. She learned to read Braille and used her heightened sense of hearing and touch to navigate the world around her. She even took up piano and became an accomplished musician, playing by ear. One day, Maria met a man named Alex who was fascinated by her ability to navigate the world without sight. He would often accompany her on walks and describe the beauty of the world around them, pointing out flowers and trees and the changing colors of the sky. Maria found herself falling in love with Alex, and although she knew that their lives would be different because of her blindness, she was willing to take the risk. Alex was patient and understanding, and he took the time to learn how to communicate with Maria in a way that she could understand. He even started taking piano lessons so that he could play duets with her. Years went by, and Maria and Alex built a life together filled with love and happiness. While Maria never regained her sight, she realized that she didn't need it to experience the beauty of the world. Through her other senses and the love of those around her, she had everything she needed to live a full and meaningful life.
alfor 4y ago
It seems to me those project we intentionally stopped. They could have improved 10X in the last few years but didn’t move a bit. It seems to be more about willingness than capability. Now that ChatGPT is there there is no choice other than to expose what they have of become irrelevant.
siva7 4y ago
And i thought i was the only one. Siri is actually their only major product not worth carrying the brand "Apple" if we wanna be brutally honest

cameldrv 4y ago

Lucky you! Half the time I say in my car "Hey Siri, navigate to XYZ", it says in its long-winded way, "XYZ is 2.5 miles from your house and gets 3.5 stars on yelp. Is that the one you want?" Then I say "yes." Siri responds "Navigating to XYZ." Then Siri then just forgets about it and doesn't do anything.