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https://flightfree.co.uk/post/is-it-better-to-be-vegan-or-give-up-flying/ https://flightfree.co.uk/post/is-it-better-to-be-vegan-or-gi... This source seems to

by myshpa 4y ago

https://flightfree.co.uk/post/is-it-better-to-be-vegan-or-give-up-flying/ https://flightfree.co.uk/post/is-it-better-to-be-vegan-or-gi... This source seems to agree with you. However it calculates CO2 emmisions from animal agriculture at 15%, a figure which is (rightly) disputed and may be as high as 80%, if we'd allow for grazing lands to be reforested/rewilded. There are many studies/opinions on the subject, and we imho don't have a complete picture yet. The numbers differ greatly, and there are powerful players distorting the debate (big ag, oil sector). But what we do know is that that we have to do many things to reduce our footprint. Doing just A and ignoring B is not an optimal strategy. We should be prepared to do as much as possible to reduce our impact. Or be ready to face the consequences.

steve1977 4y ago
I was actually talking about the risk of spreading viruses globally, not CO2 (although that is another important point as well of course).
- myshpa 4y ago
  Of course, I've misread, mea culpa. But ... as zombie movies show attempts to stop pandemics are usually futile. Maybe it's better to prevent them.
  - steve1977 4y ago
    Not traveling prevents pandemics. It doesn't prevent new diseases from emerging, but it prevents them from becoming pandemic.
    - myshpa 4y ago
      But we can't really stop traveling, can we? What about transport and shipping? Even a full quarantine when there is a new disease is not always feasible. If you're lucky and the disease parameters will allow for quarantine to be possible, there will always be someone who'll ignore all the regulations and with coughing and a fewer will evade all checkpoints and baricades and travel by fishing ship or a helicopter or sewage tunnels or by foot through the jungle somewhere he isn't supposed to go, and spend a day in a full cinema there. I would recommend some catastrophic movies again.
      - steve1977 4y ago
        We can stop traveling for leisure, this would go a long way already. When we closed the borders where I live during the first COVID outbreak, cases went almost down to zero. To quote the comment I was replying to: > For most of the world it's not a necessity, but a personal choice. This applies to traveling as well. But of course, people don’t want to change habits.

by myshpa 4y ago

steve1977 4y ago

I was actually talking about the risk of spreading viruses globally, not CO2 (although that is another important point as well of course).

myshpa 4y ago
Of course, I've misread, mea culpa. But ... as zombie movies show attempts to stop pandemics are usually futile. Maybe it's better to prevent them.
- steve1977 4y ago
  Not traveling prevents pandemics. It doesn't prevent new diseases from emerging, but it prevents them from becoming pandemic.
  - myshpa 4y ago
    But we can't really stop traveling, can we? What about transport and shipping? Even a full quarantine when there is a new disease is not always feasible. If you're lucky and the disease parameters will allow for quarantine to be possible, there will always be someone who'll ignore all the regulations and with coughing and a fewer will evade all checkpoints and baricades and travel by fishing ship or a helicopter or sewage tunnels or by foot through the jungle somewhere he isn't supposed to go, and spend a day in a full cinema there. I would recommend some catastrophic movies again.
    - steve1977 4y ago
      We can stop traveling for leisure, this would go a long way already. When we closed the borders where I live during the first COVID outbreak, cases went almost down to zero. To quote the comment I was replying to: > For most of the world it's not a necessity, but a personal choice. This applies to traveling as well. But of course, people don’t want to change habits.