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Preferentially giving YouTube access to ressources is indeed an anti-competitive action. That’s part of the vertical restraint kind. YT isn’t a monopoly howeve

Preferentially giving YouTube access to ressources is indeed an anti-competitive action. That’s part of the vertical restraint kind. YT isn’t a monopoly however. It might be dominant depending of how you define the markets but it does have competitors.

scarface_74 4y ago
That's not in any sense of the word how anti-trust works. That's just like saying that car manufacturers can't use idle capacity to help start a new line of vehicles just because a new car manufacturer couldn't create a new car line.
- WastingMyTime89 4y ago
  No, it’s not comparable in any ways. Car manufacturers sell cars. That’s their main business. Here we have Google using its dominant position in another market to prop up another activity through an advantage. That’s most definitely fall under anti-competitive law at least in Europe (I don’t care about the US. The modern interpretation of American antitrust laws is a complete joke).
  - scarface_74 4y ago
    Apple's main business was selling computers. Should they not have been allowed to branch out to sell phones or before that music players? Netflix had a dominant business in shipping DVDs to customers. Should they have not branched out to streaming? It's silly to say that companies should never be allowed to branch out to other businesses.
    - WastingMyTime89 4y ago
      When did Apple ever had a dominant position in the computer market? Ah, yes, never, I was scared that you may have had a point there for moment. Care to highlight exactly how Netflix used its dominant position in film renting in favour of its streaming business? It would indeed be silly to say companies can’t branch out. Thankfully no one is so that’s fine.
      - scarface_74 4y ago
        Netflix very much had a dominant position in DVD rentals at its height. Apple had a dominant position in selling music and in music players by 2006. It was the number one music retailer in the US. It very much used that to get into the phone market and part of its early success in the App Store was that it was built on top of iTunes and it already had more credit cards on file than any other company in the US besides Amazon. If you're not arguing that a company shouldn't branch out, are you arguing that once a company gets a certain size, it shouldn't be allowed to invest those profits and resources into another industry? By 2011, Apple was the most valuable company in the US. Should it not have been allowed to start selling watches, home stereo equipment and AirPods?
        Darrengineer 4y ago
        > Netflix very much had a dominant position in DVD rentals at its height. Is this true? My recollection being a netflix DVD customer is that brick and mortar rental stores were dominant until netflix streaming upended the DVD rental dynamic. Would love to see some data on it though!
        scarface_74 4y ago
        There is a long story about how just when it looked like the combination of BlockBuster brick and mortar + mail in was about to deal the killing blow to Netflix, Carl Icahn came in and snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory. https://hbr.org/2011/04/how-i-did-it-blockbusters-former-ceo-on-sparring-with-an-activist-shareholder https://hbr.org/2011/04/how-i-did-it-blockbusters-former-ceo... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/22/how-netflix-almost-lost-the-movie-rental-wars-to-blockbuster.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/22/how-netflix-almost-lost-the-...

scarface_74 4y ago

That's not in any sense of the word how anti-trust works. That's just like saying that car manufacturers can't use idle capacity to help start a new line of vehicles just because a new car manufacturer couldn't create a new car line.

WastingMyTime89 4y ago
No, it’s not comparable in any ways. Car manufacturers sell cars. That’s their main business. Here we have Google using its dominant position in another market to prop up another activity through an advantage. That’s most definitely fall under anti-competitive law at least in Europe (I don’t care about the US. The modern interpretation of American antitrust laws is a complete joke).
- scarface_74 4y ago
  Apple's main business was selling computers. Should they not have been allowed to branch out to sell phones or before that music players? Netflix had a dominant business in shipping DVDs to customers. Should they have not branched out to streaming? It's silly to say that companies should never be allowed to branch out to other businesses.
  - WastingMyTime89 4y ago
    When did Apple ever had a dominant position in the computer market? Ah, yes, never, I was scared that you may have had a point there for moment. Care to highlight exactly how Netflix used its dominant position in film renting in favour of its streaming business? It would indeed be silly to say companies can’t branch out. Thankfully no one is so that’s fine.
    - scarface_74 4y ago
      Netflix very much had a dominant position in DVD rentals at its height. Apple had a dominant position in selling music and in music players by 2006. It was the number one music retailer in the US. It very much used that to get into the phone market and part of its early success in the App Store was that it was built on top of iTunes and it already had more credit cards on file than any other company in the US besides Amazon. If you're not arguing that a company shouldn't branch out, are you arguing that once a company gets a certain size, it shouldn't be allowed to invest those profits and resources into another industry? By 2011, Apple was the most valuable company in the US. Should it not have been allowed to start selling watches, home stereo equipment and AirPods?
      - Darrengineer 4y ago
        > Netflix very much had a dominant position in DVD rentals at its height. Is this true? My recollection being a netflix DVD customer is that brick and mortar rental stores were dominant until netflix streaming upended the DVD rental dynamic. Would love to see some data on it though!
        scarface_74 4y ago
        There is a long story about how just when it looked like the combination of BlockBuster brick and mortar + mail in was about to deal the killing blow to Netflix, Carl Icahn came in and snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory. https://hbr.org/2011/04/how-i-did-it-blockbusters-former-ceo-on-sparring-with-an-activist-shareholder https://hbr.org/2011/04/how-i-did-it-blockbusters-former-ceo... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/22/how-netflix-almost-lost-the-movie-rental-wars-to-blockbuster.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/22/how-netflix-almost-lost-the-...